Richard Robinson & Gaye Francis

Risk! Engineers Talk Governance

Due Diligence and Risk Engineers Richard Robinson and Gaye Francis discuss governance in an engineering context. Richard & Gaye are co-directors at R2A and have seen the risk business industry become very complex. The OHS/WHS 'business', in particular, has turned into an industry, that appears to be costing an awful lot of organisations an awful lot of money for very little result.   Richard & Gaye's point of difference is that they come from the Common Law viewpoint of what would be expected to be done in the event that something happens. Which is very, very different from just applying the r...

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Richard Robinson & Gaye Francis

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May 24, 2026

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How organisational silos impact due diligence across safety, projects and compliance 18.05.2025

Drop us a note In this episode of Risk! Engineers Talk Governance, due diligence engineers Richard Robinson and Gaye Francis tackle the growing problem of organisational silos and their impact on due diligence and explore how siloed thinking undermines efforts across various domains—from safety, projects and regulatory compliance. Drawing from decades of industry experience, Richard traces the evo...

Being Relevant, Reasoned & Concise - for your Due Diligence Argument 11.05.2025

Drop us a note In this episode of Risk! Engineers Talk Governance, due diligence engineers Richard Robinson and Gaye Francis discuss why effective due diligence arguments need to be relevant, reasoned, and concise.  They share their frustrations with overly complex safety documentation that fails to deliver clear, defensible arguments, and explain why safety cases should be brief yet comprehensive...

Target Levels of Risk & Safety - SFAIRP vs ALARP Revisited 04.05.2025

Drop us a note In this episode, of Risk! Engineers Talk Governance, due diligence engineers Richard Robinson and Gaye Francis revisit the distinction between SFAIRP (So Far As Is Reasonably Practicable) and Target Levels of Risk and Safety.   They explain how target levels of risk continue to be problematic in engineering despite being legally unsupportable under WHS/OHS legislation and share exam...

Why Standards are not the Solution 13.04.2025

Drop us a note In this episode of Risk! Engineers Talk Governance, due diligence engineering experts Richard Robinson and Gaye Francis discuss why Standards are not the solution.   They explore why following Standards can be problematic, outlining key issues:  1.     Using Standards out of context; 2.     There’s no explanation for rationales; 3.     They don’t cover all things; and 4.     They ar...

Insurance Criteria: Its history, relevance, and the Highly Protected Risk (HPR) engineering process 06.04.2025

Drop us a note In this episode of "Risk! Engineers Talk Governance," due diligence engineers Richard Robinson and Gaye Francis discuss Insurance Criteria and its history and modern relevance, particularly focusing on the Highly Protected Risk (HPR) engineering process. Richard shares his experience training with Factory Mutual in the US and explains how the HPR approach originated in the...

How to Prevent Catastrophic Project Blowouts 30.03.2025

Drop us a note In this episode of Risk! Engineers Talk Governance, due diligence engineers Richard Robinson and Gaye Francis discuss: How to prevent catastrophic project blowouts.   They discuss the three key considerations when undertaking project due diligence and preventing catastrophic project blowouts as:   Ensure your scope is right, have identified your critical success outcomes are and all...

Difficult Conversations Engineers need to have about Risk 23.03.2025

Drop us a note In this episode of Risk! Engineers Talk Governance, due diligence engineers Richard Robinson and Gaye Francis this season’s theme of "Difficult Conversations Engineers Need to Have About Risk".  Key discussion points include: Risk is multidimensional.  Risk covers a big domain that has lead to confusion. There are three different types of risk, but R2A’s focus is typically...

Risk Management & Negligence - Due Diligence Essentials for Engineers 16.03.2025

Drop us a note In this first episode of Season 5 of Risk! Engineers Talk Governance, due diligence engineers Richard Robinson and Gaye Francis provide an overview of their new booklet "Risk Management and Negligence - Due Diligence Essentials for Engineers".  They discuss the importance of engineers to understand their responsibilities around risk management and due diligence, and the ne...

Season 4 Wrap: Due Diligence as a Governance Process, Dam Safety & the Relevance of Due Diligence 01.12.2024

Drop us a note In the final episode of Season 4 of Risk! Engineers Talk Governance, due diligence engineers Richard Robinson and Gaye Francis wrap up the key theme of the season of due diligence as a governance process. They also provide another industry example in Dam Safety, and discuss the relevance of WHS/OHS legislation and the state of prosecutions. Key take-aways include:  The due diligence...

Bush Fire Risk, Due Diligence & Mitigation Controls 24.11.2024

Drop us a note In this episode of Risk! Engineers Talk Governance, due diligence engineers Richard Robinson and Gaye Francis discuss due diligence for bushfires. Richard has been involved in advising on bushfire risk and controls since Ash Wednesday in 1984, while both Richard and Gaye as R2A were involved with bushfire assessments post Black Saturday in 2009.   Their discussion highlights: Bushfi...

Due Diligence in the Electrical & Power Industry 17.11.2024

Drop us a note In this episode of Risk! Engineers Talk Governance, due diligence engineers Richard Robinson and Gaye Francis discuss due diligence in the electrical and power industry. They discuss due diligence and risk management considerations in the sector, with examples that focus on renewable energy sources like wind turbines and the potential role of nuclear power in Australia's energy...

Obligations for Engineers under WHS/OHS legislation 10.11.2024

Drop us a note In this episode of Risk! Engineers Talk Governance, due diligence engineers Richard Robinson and Gaye Francis discuss the obligations for engineers under the WHS legislation (OHS Act in Victoria) and understanding the importance of their role if things go wrong. They discuss the fact that Work Health and Safety (WHS) legislation is the overarching legislation in Australia that must...

Due Diligence in Marine Pilotage 20.10.2024

Drop us a note In this episode of Risk! Engineers Talk Governance, due diligence engineers Richard Robinson and Gaye Francis discuss the application of due diligence in the Marine Pilotage industry.  They discuss various consulting work they’ve done with Marine Pilots across Australia and New Zealand ports, and summarise the key take-away that the process is no different for pilotage due diligence...

Due Diligence Essentials for Engineers - R2A's New Booklet 13.10.2024

Drop us a note In this episode of Risk! Engineers Talk Governance, due diligence engineers Richard Robinson and Gaye Francis discuss the new booklet titled "Due Diligence Essentials for Engineers" being authored by Richard Robinson and Gaye Francis.  They talk about the need for the booklet being that Engineers are becoming more involved in the governance process in providing information...

Laws of Man vs Laws of Nature in the Due Diligence Context 06.10.2024

Drop us a note In this episode of Risk! Engineers Talk Governance, due diligence engineers Richard Robinson and Gaye Francis discuss the differences between the "laws of man" and the "laws of nature" in the context of due diligence engineering.  Drawing on their experiences as Expert Witnesses in the Australian and NZ judicial systems, the conversation covers the following key...

Aviation Industry & the Application of the Due Diligence Process 29.09.2024

Drop us a note In this episode of Risk! Engineers Talk Governance, due diligence engineers Richard Robinson and Gaye Francis discuss the application of the due diligence process to the aviation industry.  Richard discusses his recent presentation to the Australian Aviation Wildlife Hazard Group where he used the expert witness view: What is it that could have been done and if it had been done, wou...

AI (Artificial Intelligence), Robots, Controls & Liability 22.09.2024

Drop us a note  In this episode, due diligence engineers Richard Robinson and Gaye Francis discuss controls and liability when it comes to AI and robots.  OHS/WHS legislation require achieving the highest level of hazard control that is reasonably practicable. AI/Robots present potential controls to address many safety issues and can be implemented to improve safety.  They discuss a number of exam...

The Judicial Need for Reliable Knowledge and to Demonstrate Causation. 15.09.2024

Drop us a note In the first episode of Season 4 of Risk! Engineers Talk Governance, due diligence engineers Richard Robinson and Gaye Francis discuss the judicial need for reliable knowledge and the need to demonstrate causation.  They highlight some of their Expert Witness examples to demonstrate how for the courts to come to a decision, they have to not only have an understanding of what went wr...

Major IT Outage - Criticality & Resilience 23.07.2024

Drop us a note In this special Risk! Engineers Talk Governance episode, due diligence engineers Richard Robinson and Gaye Francis discuss the recent IT outage that affected systems worldwide and the importance of criticality and resilience.  Main take-aways include: The outage was predictable and foreseeable. It was a critical incident. You can't gold plate a single system so that it won&apos...

Wrap of Season 3 - Criticality & Design and Climate Change Design Options 09.06.2024

Drop us a note In the final episode of season three of the Risk! Engineers Talk Governance podcast, due diligence engineers Richard Roberson and Gaye Francis discuss the theme of criticality and design in the context of climate change and sustainability due diligence.    They discuss: The consequences of redirecting rivers for irrigation,  Why the Victorian Government built the, to now, unused des...

Town Planning Disasters - The need for consquence planning, not risk planning 02.06.2024

Drop us a note In this episode of the Risk! Engineers Talk Governance podcast, due diligence engineers and Co-Directors at R2A Richard Robinson and Gaye Francis, discuss town planning disasters and the need for consequence planning.    This follows Gaye’s recent conference paper at the International Public Works Conference where she detailed the VCAT decision around the major hazard facility and t...

How Standards stifle innovation 26.05.2024

Drop us a note In this episode of Risk! Engineers Talk Governance, due diligence engineers Richard Robinson and Gaye Francis from R2A discuss how standards stifle innovation.    They highlight the frustration of engineers who are designing to standards rather than focusing on solving the actual problem at hand. They argue that standards are often lag indicators and may not keep up with the rapidly...

Risk Appetite versus Zero Harm & the Confusion at Board levels 19.05.2024

Drop us a note In this podcast episode, due diligence engineers Richard Robinson and Gaye Francis discuss the concept of risk appetite versus zero harm and the confusion it creates at board levels because they're trying to put all of their risk issues into a single statement. They discuss how a risk appetite is about balancing risk and reward, whereas zero harm is about nothing bad happening,...

Code of Practice & WHS/OHS Confusion 12.05.2024

Drop us a note In this episode of Risk! Engineers Talk Governance, Richard Robinson and Gaye Francis discuss Code of Practice and WHS/OHS confusion in relation to a presentation they delivered to the Dam Owners and Operators' Forum in Queensland recently, called "How do we do ALARP? Meeting a duty of care."    They explain how the Code of Practice doesn’t align with WHS/OHS legislat...

Art & Engineering - How being a great artist relates to the engineer's roles 05.05.2024

Drop us a note In this episode of the Risk! Engineers Talk Governance podcast, Richard Robinson and Gaye Francis discuss the relationship between art and engineering.    They draw parallels between the roles of artists and engineers, highlighting the importance of composition, execution, and management in both fields. They outline the different types of engineers, such as creators, managers/consul...

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