37signals
REWORK
A podcast by 37signals about the better way to work and run your business. The REWORK podcast features the co-founders of 37signals (the makers of Basecamp and HEY), Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson sharing their unique perspective on business and entrepreneurship along with host Kimberly Rhodes.
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Episodes
Bringing Back Free 05.03.2025 21:28
37signals' co-founders Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson are back to talk about the ins and outs of offering a product for free. In this episode of The REWORK Podcast , they break down why they decided to reintroduce a free Basecamp plan, how offering free access can actually drive sales, and balancing analytics with instincts. Key Takeaways: 00:45 – The original philosophy behind Base...
Managing vs. Mentoring 12.02.2025 24:30
There are no full-time managers at 37signals, but that doesn't mean the company is void of mentorship. In this episode of The REWORK Podcast , host Kimberly Rhodes chats with Principal Programmer Jeffrey Hardy as he breaks down the company’s focus on peer-to-peer mentorship. They discuss hiring practices that allow for less management and what mentorship looks like amongst the team. Key Takea...
Blogging Isn't Dead 05.02.2025 14:55
Does blogging still matter in tech? In this episode of The REWORK Podcast , host Kimberly Rhodes chats with 37signals' Principal Programmer Jorge Manrubia about why blogging is very much alive. They dig into the history of the 37signals developers blog, the company's process for contributions, and the added benefits this communication tool provides. Key Takeaways: 00:50 – Meet Jorge 01:...
Building a Community 29.01.2025 18:58
There is a way to bring your customers together in a meaningful way. In this episode of The REWORK Podcast , host Kimberly Rhodes welcomes 37signals' Support Team members Merissa Dawson and Ashley Bowe to discuss how the Basecamp Community came to life. They describe how they've connected with Basecamp customers and how they've connected customers with each other. They also offer a...
Support is a Feature 22.01.2025 20:43
Customer support is more than just a department — it’s a core feature of any great product. In this episode of The REWORK Podcast , Kimberly Rhodes chats with Chase Clemons, Head of Customer Support at 37signals, about the company's view of support as a product feature. They discuss 37signals' approach to helping customers, the value of ongoing training, and how AI can fit into support s...
Hire When It Hurts 15.01.2025 19:51
Wondering when it’s the right time to grow your team? In this episode of The REWORK Podcast , 37signals' co-founders Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson chat about their “hire when it hurts” approach as described in their book REWORK . They cover why you shouldn’t rush into bringing someone on board, how to know when there's a critical business need, and how to seize the moment when...
Seven Shipping Principles 08.01.2025 22:54
How does 37signals decide when software is ready to ship? In this episode of The REWORK Podcast , 37signals’ co-founders Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson discuss the company's Seven Shipping Principles . They dive into when a product update is good enough to ship and the importance of making updates to solve actual problems. Key Takeaways: 00:11 – We only ship good work. 03:36 – The p...
Building to Flip is Building to Flop (replay) 24.12.2024 19:12
In this episode (originally aired February 1, 2022), 37signals’ co-founders Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson sit down with Shaun Hildner to discuss the consequences of building a business solely with the intention to sell. They share their perspective on building a business for the long haul versus for an exit. Key Takeaways: 00:46 – Building a company to sell can encourage mediocre output...
The Biggest Customer Conundrum 18.12.2024 22:57
Bigger isn't always better. In this episode of The REWORK Podcast , 37signals’ co-founders Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson share the drawbacks of chasing high-profile, enterprise deals. The two founders explain why they prefer their business model that's built around serving smaller clients. Key Takeaways: 00:35 – The biggest clients can quickly become the biggest burden and th...
The End of Year Junk Drawer 11.12.2024 18:40
As the year winds down, 37signals’ co-founders Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson join host Kimberly Rhodes to talk about the company's end-of-year routine. They explain their process for the last few weeks of the year that aren't part of a formal six-week cycle, and they share what they gain from this transitional period of "wandering." Key Takeaways: 00:43 – The informa...
A Product Pivot 04.12.2024 22:24
Before introducing a new product feature, it’s essential to first understand the problem you're trying to fix. In this episode of The REWORK Podcast , 37signals’ co-founders Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson share a recent experience designing a new feature in HEY. During the process, the team pivoted and changed direction, resulting in a better design. Key Takeaways: 00:44 – The origi...
Your Competition is Your Costs 27.11.2024 29:39
Remaining profitable in business is a simple equation — sales revenue exceeding operating costs. In this episode of The REWORK Podcast , 37signals’ co-founders Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson explain why controlling costs should be a bigger focus than what your competition is doing. They share some simple strategies for analyzing costs and share why operating without a formal office space...
AI, Employee Equity, and Other Listener Questions 20.11.2024 25:38
Every week, we invite listeners to send in their questions for 37signals’ co-founders, Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson. In this episode, they tackle a fresh set of asks, covering topics from managing multiple product lines, the company’s bonus structure, and their thoughts on incorporating AI into their tools. Key Takeaways: 00:37 – How 37signals' looks at AI and using AI while exiti...
What are You Replacing? 13.11.2024 28:43
When it comes to business, it’s important to consider not only what customers would gain by using your product or service, but also what they're giving up. In this episode of The REWORK Podcast, Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson, co-founders of 37signals, chat about understanding your customer's needs and motivations. They highlight that your competition isn't always who you...
Question Your Customers 06.11.2024 18:23
Ever filled out a customer survey? For this conversation, Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson, co-founders of 37signals, share their approach to gathering customer feedback. They discuss the timing and frequency of feedback requests, the power of open-ended questions, and how to transform customer language into effective marketing. Key Takeaways: 00:37 - A single open-ended question can revea...
V1 is for Us 30.10.2024 32:43
In this week's episode of The REWORK Podcast, 37signals’ co-founders Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson share their approach to product design, explaining why the first version of a product (V1) is always built for the company's internal use case. They discuss responding to user feedback and the importance of actively using their own products to uncover issues. They also dive into...
Principles of Communication 23.10.2024 27:15
37signals’ co-founders Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson share insights from their write-up, The 37signals Guide to Internal Communication . They discuss effective communication strategies within the company and with the public, offering practical advice to consider when conveying messages. Key Takeaways: 00:41 - The backstory of how the guide was created 02:39 - The write up serves as both...
Say No by Default 16.10.2024 32:33
In their book REWORK, 37signals’ co-founders Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson write about the power of saying no. This week on the podcast, they revisit that idea, diving into the hidden costs of saying yes and the burden of commitments that often come with it. They also discuss how saying no preserves simplicity and helps maintain focus. Key Takeaways: 00:45 – Saying yes often comes with...
Preparing for a Company Meet-up 09.10.2024 23:22
Twice a year, 37signals brings the entire team together for a company meet-up. In this week’s episode of The REWORK Podcast , co-founders Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson reflect on how these meet-ups began and how they've evolved over time. They also discuss how they prepare for the meet-ups and the importance of the venue selection. Key Takeaways: 00:50 - Jason shares the early hist...
Achieving Optionality 02.10.2024 20:27
37signals’ co-founders Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson explore the many benefits of having full control over their business. They talk about the importance of taking measured profits and running an efficient operation, which allows freedom to create without constraints. This approach gives them room for trial and error and plenty of flexibility for expanded opportunities. Key Takeaways: 0...
Progressing in Public Speaking 25.09.2024 21:16
It's been reported that up to 75% of the population has a fear of public speaking . This week, Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson, co-founders of 37signals, recount some of their previous speaking engagements and share a few tips for building the skill. They discuss the styles of successful speakers and their thoughts on being over prepared. Key Takeaways: 00:47 - Jason recalls his firs...
Everybody Works 18.09.2024 26:21
37signals' co-founders Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson discuss their unique approach of operating without full-time managers. They reflect on the company's experience with full-time managers and share why they've moved to a flatter organization. Key Takeaways: 00:54 - The before and after of 37signals' experience with full-time managers 08:34 - The founders thoughts on...
Dare to Be Basic 11.09.2024 24:59
This week, Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson, co-founders of 37signals, examine why it's advantageous to keep things simple — in both products and business. They challenge the idea that complex or bespoke tools are the best way to go and lean into not overcomplicating things. Key Takeaways: 00:34 - The power of keeping things simple 10:55 - Why small businesses don't need to act l...
How We Work: Kickoffs & Heartbeats 04.09.2024 24:30
37signals works in 6-week cycles, which begin with a Kickoff and wrap up with a Heartbeat. In this week’s REWORK podcast, co-founders Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson break down the purpose and benefits of the Kickoff and Heartbeat documents and share tips for implementing this process across an organization. Key Takeaways 00:40 - When 37signals started using Kickoffs and Heartbeats 02:1...
Maintaining a business partnership, simple product design, and other listener questions 28.08.2024 31:47
This week on the REWORK podcast, 37signals co-founders Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson answer another round listener questions. Jason and David talk about the ups and downs of their long-running business partnership and friendship, tackle a critical question about Basecamp, and share their thoughts on starting a new company. Plus, they reveal the inspiration behind their Campfire software...
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