On The Level Media
Reformasi Dispatch
Independent and lucid analysis of Indonesian politics, policymaking, justice, and economics featuring Kevin O’Rourke and Erin Cook. The podcasts incorporate exclusive interviews with experts and draws on content from the Reformasi Weekly reports, produced for subscribers since 2003.
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Jun 28, 2026
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Epic Showdown Ahead? The state of Indonesia's presidential polls (with Seth Soderborg) 12.05.2023 53:19
We turn to an expert for an update on polling methodologies and what the numbers say thus far about where the candidates stand. After gyrations during April, we ask the Harvard Ph. D. candidate Seth Soderborg about the constituencies, strategies and dynamics that could prove decisive in the months ahead. Also, Kevin and Jeff recap the ill-fated 'Grand Alliance' and discuss how Anies Ba...
Illuminating the Household: Domestic Workers Bill Finally Progresses (with Eva Sundari) 05.05.2023 1:03:07
After nearly 20 years, a bill to help protect maids and household servants from exploitation finally appears poised to pass into law. A longstanding proponent, former parliamentarian Eva Sundari, joins the pod to explain the bill's features, which she describes as moderate and modest. A central feature will be a registration system to help track workers' whereabouts and guard against i...
From the Archive: Interview with Ganjar Pranowo on June 2021 27.04.2023 32:43
This is the full interview with Central Java Governor Ganjar Pranowo on June 2021 in Indonesian. Get our special episode on the 4th Presidential Debate on: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/reformasi/extras It takes a lot of money to run a podcast. You need subscription fees for hosting, audio recording services, editor's salary and music licensing. Luckily, you, estemeed listeners of Reformasi Di...
From the archive: Ganjar Pranowo 27.04.2023 40:11
In the wake of Megawati Sukarnoputri’s decision to back Ganjar Pranowo for president we thought we would replay our June 2021 interview with the Central Java governor. Kevin and Jeff talked with the governor about improving the pool of skilled labour, protecting the environment, the effectiveness of the KPK and Covid 19. The Delta wave of the virus would hit his province within weeks of our interv...
Ganjar Gets Go-Ahead (with Erry Hardjapamekas) 21.04.2023 1:09:58
Ganjar Gets Go-Ahead (with Erry Hardjapamekas): The long waiting game with Megawati has ended as the PDI-P chair moved on 21 April 2023 to announce her intention to endorse the governor for president. This improves Indonesia's political outlook; it also renders parties of the erstwhile United Alliance (KIB) adrift and triggers rampant speculation about vice-presidential running mates. Jeff...
Meddle Gauntlet 14.04.2023 32:26
10 months to the day before next year's momentous election, Indonesia's electoral process is plodding through a veritable gauntlet of meddling. This includes spurious procedural disputes, unscrupulous legal attacks and a late-stage attempt to revise rules. And the once-independent Anti-Corruption Commission (KPK) is at issue: an editorial in Tempo, once a staunch KPK defender, asserts...
More Morowali Worry: Conditions at Indonesia's Nascent Nickel Monolith (with Peter Yeung) 03.03.2023 1:08:00
International scrutiny of the processes that produce batteries for electric vehicles (EVs) is inevitable -- and already beginning. The author of a recent Wired article on the topic joins the pod. Also: Jeff and Kevin discuss the implications of a potential attempt by the chair of the Anti-Corruption Commission (KPK) to name former Jakarta Gov Anies Baswedan as a suspect, and a clear-cut case of...
Industrial Grade Evil 24.02.2023 38:11
Steven and Jeff speak with Awan Puryadi, one of the lawyers in involved in a class action suit on behalf of 25 families of victims who had drank cough syrup laced with industrial grade solvents that are lethal for humans. The families are seeking billions in compensation from pharmaceutical companies, distributors and the government for allowing the mass poisoning. The Pak Awan says the families w...
Sambo Sentenced; Police Rot Lives On 16.02.2023 59:08
Disgraced former police general Ferdy Sambo was found guilty and sentenced to death for ordering the death of his subordinate, Yosua Hutabarat. Four more defendants including his wife were also found guilty with three dealt lengthy sentences behind bars. Even so, after a slew of high level dismissals last year the appetite for reform of Indonesia's crusty criminal justice system is still a lo...
A Looming PDI-P Split and other Ghost Stories 10.02.2023 1:04:34
Tito Ambyo, who is wrapping up a PhD on Indonesian horror, a lecturer on journalism at Melbourne's RMIT and co-host of the podcast Talking Indonesia joins Jeff and Kevin to discuss whether Jokowi is setting the table to break with Ibu Mega. We also get into the very real horror story of childhood stunting, and finally wheeling and dealing on the power grid that might make room for consumers w...
AHY Blinks 04.02.2023 50:49
Erin Cook, author of substack Dari Mulut ke Mulut, joins Jeff and Kevin to discuss the presidential horse race. With almost exactly a year to go to elections, the stage is set for the big coalitions to announce their standard bearers after Agus Yudhoyono of Partai Demokrat drops demands for VP nominee and endorsed Anies Baswedan. Erin walks the guys through elections in Thailand and the impact of...
Indonesian Islam and Gender Equality: The Pioneering Agenda of the 2nd Female Religious Leaders Conference (Kupi II) 27.01.2023 1:01:46
Ruby Kholifa of the Muslim Action Network (Aman) joins the pod to discuss campaigns against female genitalia mutilation (FGM) and other aspects of a recent landmark conference that she helped lead. Also: Imam of the Mining Advocacy Network (Jatam) discusses his trip to Morowali and Jiangsu Delong's Gunbuster Nickel (GNI), site of recent deadly worker clash. And finally: Jeff and Kevin discu...
'It's My Business!' -- Megawati in the Driver's Seat 20.01.2023 36:12
A landmark 2-hour address by the PDI‑Perjuangan chair -- to a red-clad audience of 3,000, including the president and half the cabinet -- made no mention whatsoever of Ganjar Pranowo, the PDI-P Central Java governor who leads presidential polls. Preparations may now be underway for his split from the party in order to join the United Alliance (KIB) -- a process that will likely be messy. Also: un...
Indonesia 2022 – Politics, Economics and the Year in Review 23.12.2022 42:35
New poll data provides depicts the state of the presidential race and a World Bank report assesses economic reform. Jeff and Kevin discuss listener questions about a recent controversy surrounding foreign property interests in the Widi Islands and the state of the planned capital move. Also, hear from sound engineer Steven Handoko, whom we unmute (on purpose). Support us on buymeacoffee.com/refo...
Co-Habitating with Indonesia's New Criminal Code: How Will Complaints-Based Offenses Work? (With Anugerah Rizki Akbari) 16.12.2022 1:08:15
After 60 years of trying, Indonesia finally has a new criminal code that standardizes sentencing, boosts legal certainty and updates penalties that were more in line with the Indonesia of the Dutch colonial era than that of the 21st century. But, as Anugrah Rizki Akbari, lecturer of Criminal Law at Universitas Indonesia told Kevin and Jeff, the passing of the criminal code is not the finish line,...
Prabowo Prevaricates (with Michael Smith of the AFR) 02.12.2022 49:11
Gerindra Chair Prabowo Subianto is showing ‘buyer’s remorse’. By all accounts the three time presidential hopeful is casting about for a running mate who can add vigor to his so far lackluster campaign. Polls show Prabowo – with near 100 percent name recognition – backsliding while Central Java Gov Ganjar Pranowo clearly leads in multiple credible surveys. National Awakening Party (PKB) Chair Mu...
Indonesia Inc? (With KADIN Chairman Arsjad Rasjid) 24.11.2022 47:44
When it comes to transitioning to renewables and electrifying transport, Arsjad Rasjid, KADIN’s chairman, says the time of “talk, talk, talk” is over. Government and business need to work together to make power generation cleaner, to attract tens of billions in higher tech industries like electric vehicles as well as in information and communication technology. The wind is certainly at Indonesia’s...
Reaching the Summit (with Peter Mumford) 18.11.2022 36:32
Indonesia has pulled off a well-run G20 summit with no boycotts during a -- to put it mildly -- difficult year. Peter Mumford of the Eurasia Group joins Kevin and Jeff to discuss all the summitry and what it means for Indonesia's standing in the world. And: Peter runs through the Malaysian election and considers why the electorate appears to be tuning out. Support us on buymeacoffee.com/refor...
Indefinite Jest 10.11.2022 27:52
A moment of jocular rapport between the president and Prabowo Subianto sent pundits spinning this week. It appeared, when quoted in print, to constitute an endorsement of the Gerindra chair -- but not so. The president remains unaligned ahead of the 2024 race, but his cryptic jest at least made clear that his endorsement will be a prize. Also: Multiple credible polls now show Ganjar in sole pos...
Green EV Batteries From Indonesia (Is This a Joke?) with Chris Gower of Altilium 30.09.2022 53:11
The Holy Grail of electric-vehicle production is a nickel battery derived from a genuinely green process, from mining through hydrometallurgy to handling residual tailings. Indonesia holds the bulk of the world's nickel -- but its current and planned projects for refining ore into battery-grade material (or 'MHP') are anything but green. These use conventional high-pressure acid l...
Got Governance? Legal certainty in Indonesia (with Laode Syarif) 24.09.2022 49:59
The state of the Anti-Corruption Commission (KPK), trends in the police and the atmosphere for discourse are factors affecting Indonesia's outlook for legal-system predictability and the rule of law -- which in turn drive development and democratization. Joining the pod to evaluate a tumult of trends is Prof. Laode Syarif, a distinguished former KPK member (2014-19) and the current executive...
Vice Grip: 'Widodo-for-VP' Reflects Desperation 15.09.2022 39:35
A scheme to nominate President Joko Widodo for vice president, which is suddenly occupying headlines, would face multiple hurdles – legal, ethical, political and electoral. The idea may have arisen from the camp of Gerindra Chair Prabowo Subianto, but it has at least some currency with Widodo’s supporters. It therefore serves as an indicator that they may be losing heart in the prospects for nom...
Fuel for the fire (with Said Iqbal of the KSPI) 10.09.2022 51:51
Kevin and Jeff talk about President Joko Widodo’s decision to raise fuel prices and claw back some of the nearly 700 trillion rupiah in subsidies expected this year and how more price hikes may be in the offing. Said Iqbal of the Indonesian Trade Union Confederation warns of national strikes if the price hikes aren’t reversed. How Jokowi linked groups are beginning to campaign for Central Java go...
Rizieq Unchecked: New Role for FPI Founder on Parole 23.07.2022 30:21
Indonesia’s Islamic firebrand suddenly won early release from prison. The founder of the banned Islamic Defenders Front (FPI) has repeatedly shook national politics -- but conditions have changed since his zenith in 2017 and Reformasi Dispatch discusses what might come next. Also: A major step back on climate policy as the government indefinitely postponed its long-awaited tax on carbon; Jeff a...
Poll Position (Interview with Seth Soderborg) 09.07.2022 50:52
Kevin and Jeff talk with Harvard academic and pollster Seth Soderborg about the art and science of taking the temperature of the Indonesian electorate. It's a tough and expensive process. Use phones or online surveys and you risk missing huge chunks of the population with no regular access to the Internet. And respondents don't tend to like to express a definitive opinions, opting if pos...
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