Center for Municipal Finance

Public Money Pod

Business EN ↓ 139 episodes

Each year state and local governments spend $4 trillion dollars. Where does that money come from? Where does it go? Who manages it? And what do citizens and taxpayers have to show for it? In this podcast we explore the budgets, bonds, and bureaucrats at the heart of state and local public finance. The Public Money Pod is a production of the University of Chicago's Center for Municipal Finance. It is co-hosted by Liz Farmer and Justin Marlowe.

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Center for Municipal Finance

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Business

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Latest episode

Jul 6, 2026

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Episodes

Accounting for Public Assets, with Dag Detter 05.02.2024

We talk to Dag Detter, author of The Public Wealth of Cities and advisor to governments around the world. We consider how state/local governments account for long-term assets, why he thinks current accounting rules are not up to the task, and his vision to fix it. He also lays out his argument for public wealth funds in the United States. In Ripped from the Headlines, we continue the conversation...

Financial Leadership from the GFOA, with Laura Allen 29.01.2024

We welcome Laura Allen, budget analyst with the Maryland Department of Budget and Management AND current President of the Government Finance Officers Association (GFOA). We discuss GFOA's priorities for the year, with special emphasis on Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion in public finance; GFOA's research agenda; and why public money is a great career for women, among many other topics. In Ripped f...

Optimizing Innovation, with Kansas Treasurer Steven Johnson 22.01.2024

We continue our state treasurer series with Kansas Treasurer Steven Johnson. We discuss his office's role in distributing federal funding; his take on the Kansas "Income Tax Experiment"; the state’s philosophy on ESG investing, why Modern Portfolio Theory is alive and well in the Sunflower State; and adventures in unclaimed property. In Ripped from the Headlines, we discuss the National Associatio...

Baby Bonds and Banking for Bud, with Washington State Treasurer Mike Pellicciotti 15.01.2024

We continue our state treasurer series with Washington State Treasurer Mike Pellicciotti. We discuss how his office has led the legislative effort on savings at birth (Baby Bonds) and for retirement (auto IRAs), and why savings is a rural economic development tool; his advocacy for the federal SAFE Banking Act for financial services for recreational marijuana businesses; and why he sees the anti-E...

Public Money in the Bayou State, with Louisiana Treasurer John Schroder 09.01.2024

We talk to Louisiana Treasurer John Schroder about Louisiana's finances. He shares his views on ESG investing, how pension investing can drive economic development, and why integrity is everything in public finance. In Ripped from the Headlines, we continue the discussion about Louisiana with a story about how changes in property insurance coverage in the state is affecting public school districts...

Causes, Costs and Creative Solutions to Homelessness, with Dawn Lang and Riann Balch 09.01.2024

We talk to Dawn Lang (CFO) and Riann Balch (Community Resources Manager) from the City of Chandler, AZ. They walk us through the causes and consequences of their city's rise in homelessness, the success of their Community Navigators program, how homelessness touches both the revenue and the spending side of the Activity Statement, and how they're planning for the coming fiscal cliff, among other t...

Visions of a Public Finance Futurist, with Megan Kilgore 18.12.2023

We visit with Megan Kilgore, City Auditor for the City of Columbus, Ohio. She explains the challenges and opportunities of an income tax-driven municipality; the keys to timely financial reporting; transparency and timeliness in the wake of the Financial Data Transparency Act (FDTA); and the future of municipal finance, among many other topics. In Ripped from the Headlines, we discuss S&P’s wa...

Financial Leadership in the Silver State, with Abbe Yacoben 11.12.2023

We visit with Washoe County, Nevada CFO Abbe Yacoben. She describes the County's unique financial challenges and opportunities; its efforts to address housing affordability; why it's investing in election infrastructure; and how to build a career in financial leadership, among many other topics.. In Ripped from the Headlines, we talk about some analysis of the San Francisco-to-Seattle exodus.

"Two Questions Deep" on AI and Public Money, with Morgan Wright 04.12.2023

We talk to Morgan Wright, a renowned expert on government tech, AI, and cybersecurity. He shares his view on tech talent in the public sector, how cities and states should think about tech infrastructure investment, and where he thinks AI can help or hurt governments. In Ripped from the Headlines, we talk about a story giving more details about a growing interest in the public sector in hiring pri...

Observations on OPEB Obligations, with Travis Ahern 27.11.2023

We visit with Travis Ahern, Town Administrator of Holliston, Massachusetts. He explains the challenges and opportunities of other post-employment benefit (OPEB) liabilities, Holliston's approach to funding OPEB, how OPEB and pensions are both alike and unlike, and why "soft liabilities" matter to credit ratings, among many other topics. In Ripped from the Headlines, we talk about the State of Conn...

Financial Leadership for Sustainability, with Pamela Frederick 20.11.2023

We talk to Pamela Frederick, CFO of the Battery Park City Authority in New York City. She describes Battery Park City's unique sustainability challenges, the opportunities for investing in the infrastructure of sustainability, the broad skillset required of today's state/local CFO, and some thoughts on further research in the climate and resiliency finance arena. In Ripped From the Headlines, we r...

SPECIAL EPISODE - 2023 Election Recap with Alan Greenblatt 14.11.2023

We have a family meeting with Alan Greenblatt, reporter from Governing , to recap what the 2023 election results mean for state and local public money. We talk about tax cuts in Texas and Colorado, why voters are more likely to pass sin taxes, and what this election tells us about 2024 and the potential public money landscape.

Non-Profit Hospitals' Financial Health, with Bobby Bruning 06.11.2023

We talk to Bobby Bruning from Kaufman Hall about the financial health of non-profit healthcare. He talks about the financial challenges facing some non-profits; why non-profit hospitals are not a "credit stressed" sector; the many ways that non-profit hospitals provide community benefits; and the sector's unique exposure to the 2024 election. In the Ripped from the Headlines, we look at trend...

Big and SMAll Opportunities in Municipal Bonds, with James Pruskowski 30.10.2023

We visit with James Pruskowski, Chief Investment Officer at 16Rock Asset Management. He explains the remarkable growth in municipal SMAs (Separately Managed Accounts), what advice he has for issuers of municipal bonds to take advantage of the increase in SMA investment, and his view on the trends in the municipal bond market going forward. In Ripped from the Headlines, we talk about three Chicago...

Candy Crush, Call of Duty and Capital Budgets, with Joost Van Dreunen 23.10.2023

We cover the state of play in interactive entertainment (i.e. video games) with Professor Joost van Dreunen from NYU's Stern School of Business. He tells us how video gaming is different from entertainment and music; what video gaming means for state/local fiscal policy and economic development; how we might regulate the industry; and why we need more video gamers in government. In Ripped from the...

Spock, Mr. Miyagi and Government Performance, with Michael Jacobson 16.10.2023

We talk to Michael Jacobson, Deputy Director of Performance Strategy in the King County (WA) Office of Performance, Strategy, and Budget. He shares insights about all things performance management; why performance management belongs in the budget office; how to make accountability less daunting; and what Spock and the Karate Kid have to do with performance management. In Ripped from the Headlines,...

Financial Leadership, Public School Style - with Tamara Mitchell 02.10.2023

We talk school finance with Tamara Mitchell, Assistant Superintendent for Business & Financial Services for the Joliet, IL School District 86. She talks where public money for schools comes from and where it goes; the good and the bad of being state funded versus property tax funded; how Joliet School District 86 won 70% approval for a referendum on last year’s ballot; and how they were impact...

EMERGENCY EPISODE - Surviving the Shutdown - with Emily Brock 28.09.2023

On this "emergency family meeting" episode we talk federal government shutdown with the Government Finance Officers Association's federal government guru Emily Brock. She shares what we've learned from past shutdowns, how the forthcoming shutdown will affect state and local finances, and how state and local finance officials can respond, among many other topics.

Antiquated to AI in Muni Finance, with Matthew Gerstenfeld 25.09.2023

We talk to Matthew Gerstenfeld, CEO and Founder of Munichain. He talks about the evolution of the municipal market, why the muni market is slow to adopt new technology, and what AI could offer to the market in the future, among many other topics. In Ripped from the Headlines, we talk about an article from CityLab titled "What it Looks like when AI Designs a City" that brings to life the many ways...

Paying for Results 2.0, with Caroline Whistler 18.09.2023

We talk to Caroline Whistler of Third Sector Capital Partners, who reflects on her decade plus in the Pay for Results space with state and local governments. She explains how that space has evolved, the importance of data in outcomes oriented government, and how civil servants are crucial to ensure public money has the biggest impact possible. In Ripped from the Headlines, we talk about the impact...

Investing in People in the First State, with Treasurer Colleen Davis 11.09.2023

We continue our conversations with state treasurers, this time with Delaware Treasurer Colleen Davis. She tells us about her work in expanding the state’s 529 program, how she’s addressing banking deserts, and the highs and lows of being a AAA credit state, among many other topics. In Ripped from the Headlines, we look into some surprising trends in higher education enrollments and investments wit...

Smart Investments for Cybersecurity, with Omid Rahmani 28.08.2023

We talk to Omid Rahmani from Fitch Ratings about the intersection of cybersecurity and public finance. He describes the many types of cyber risks governments face, how to budget for digital infrastructure, why cyber risk is a national security concern, and why Sly Stallone is a cybersecurity expert. We continue to the discussion about the impact of cyber attacks in Ripped from the Headlines with a...

Sales Taxes in the Wake of Wayfair, with Max Behlke 21.08.2023

Liz talks to Max Behkle, Deputy Executive Director for the Institute for State Policy Leaders, about South Dakota v. Wayfair , the Supreme Court that allowed states to collect sales taxes on remote sales. Max worked for the National Conference of State Legislatures at the time and was instrumental in the case as well as remote sales tax policy across the country. Max also shares what he's currentl...

Win-Win Investments in Water Infrastructure, with Josh Weimer 14.08.2023

We visit with Josh Weimer from the Turlock (CA) Irrigation District about the challenges and opportunities of water infrastructure. We focus the discussion on Project Nexus, a plan to cover canals with solar panels. He shares how this is a project with many co-benefits and the potential for other water and irrigation districts across the country and the world. In Ripped from the Headlines, we disc...

Public Money in the Media Capital of the World, with Jennifer Becker 07.08.2023

We talk to Jennifer Becker, Director of Financial Services for the City of Burbank, about how the actors and writers strike is affecting finances in Burbank, the highs and lows of being an industry town, Southern California's economic challenges, and how she'd fix California's Proposition 13. In Ripped from the Headlines, we take a deeper dive into the economic impact of the strike.

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