Hunter Parnell
Public Defenseless
Anyone paying attention can tell you that our criminal legal system is perpetuating cruelty and harm, but the complexity of the legal world overwhelms most people simply trying to get through another day. Public Defenseless explores the rot in the justice system and what we can do about it. Join host, Hunter Parnell, as he interviews top defense attorneys and criminal justice stakeholders from across the country as they pull apart the convoluted web of our criminal justice system. Like so many of you, Hunter is not an attorney, simply tired of a news cycle and talking heads that offer no real...
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Jul 9, 2026
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Episodes
80: Staff Assaults, A Decade in Solitary, and the Many Horrors of Massachusetts' Prisons w/Elizabeth Matos 05.01.2023 1:16:14
From the denial of basic healthcare needs to decades in solitary confinement, prisoners stuck in the Massachusetts prison system face near daily deprivation of basic human and Constitutional rights. Today, Hunter spoke with Elizabeth Matos to understand how her organization, Prisoners' Legal Services of Massachusetts, challenges this system of relentless brutality. Guest : Elizabeth Matos, Exe...
79: What Could Yolo County Public Defenders Do if They Weren't Funded $16 Million Less than the Prosecutors? w/Tracie Olson 03.01.2023 1:13:25
While not a small county, Yolo County California does not have the size or resources to match the major metropolitan areas of San Francisco, Oakland, L.A., or Sacramento. Yet somehow, Tracie Olson, Chief Public Defender Yolo County, and her team at the Yolo County Public Defender Office are able to maintain a strong holistic public defense practice. Despite a $16 million dollar budget shortfall...
78: What's Plaguing Public Defense in Oakland County Michigan and New Hampshire? w/David Carroll 23.12.2022 1:46:02
Why are some state's public defense systems so strong while others are so weak? This week, Hunter speaks for a second time with David Carroll, the Executive Director of the Sixth Amendment Center. David highlights a handful of reports that his organization conducted in an attempt to improve the public defense systems of many different states. First, David talks about Oakland Michigan, a now s...
77: The Fallout of the Dobbs Decision on Louisiana Reproductive Healthcare w/Gwyneth O'Neill, Ellie Schilling and Michelle Erenberg 21.12.2022 2:05:18
Since its inception, Supreme Court decisions play a terrifying role in controlling the lives of Americans. Few decisions in living memory now play a greater role than the overturning of Roe v Wade . To understand the impacts of Dobbs v Jackson, Hunter is joined by three guests from the state of Louisiana. Gwyneth O'Neill is an associate at the law firm Schonekas, Evans, McGoey and McEachin. El...
76: Trying to Keep Public Defense in North Dakota from Collapsing w/Travis Finck 16.12.2022 1:02:39
Right now, a three-attorney public defender office in North Dakota has zero attorneys on staff. And with public defender turnover rates on the rise, the state makes it difficult to provide legal representation for all. In this episode, Hunter speaks with Travis Finck, the Executive Director of The Commission on Legal Counsel for Indigents (CLCI). He brings with him an infectious optimism and dee...
75: Opioids, Addiction, and the Alabama Despair Machine w/Leah Nelson and Stacey Fuller 14.12.2022 1:07:11
For many, the hearing about the opioid epidemic invokes images deindustrialized towns in West Virginia and Kentucky, but it was actually Alabama with the highest rate of per capita prescription. Today on the show, Hunter Spoke with Leah Nelson, Research Director at Alabama Appleseed, and Stacey Fuller, a Certified Recovery Support Specialist, to discuss the impacts of opioids and addiction in...
74: How Public Defenders can Take Back the Public Safety Narrative w/Emily-Galvin Almanza and Danielle Hopkins 09.12.2022 1:03:25
In this episode, Hunter is joined by two inspiring guests from Partners for Justice, a nonprofit organization dedicated to providing support services to people facing criminal charges while helping public defenders protect people from incarceration and other criminal penalties. Emily Galvin Almanza is the Founder and Co-Executive Director of Partners for Justice, as well as an advocate in the Ha...
73: How a Sixth Amendment Center Report Sparked Change in Utah Public Defense w/Richard Mauro 07.12.2022 1:05:12
Today, Hunter spoke with Richard Mauro, Executive Director of the Salt Lake City Legal Defender Association, to talk all things Utah Public Defense. Not even a decade ago, Utah and Pennsylvania stood as the last two states who provided exactly zero dollars towards Public Defense. As expected, this created a patchwork system in the state that left places like Utah and Salt Lake County able to aff...
72: Why it is Time to End Life Sentences w/Alexandra Bailey and Nazgol Ghandnoosh 02.12.2022 1:03:34
Most people believe that life sentences keep people safe, but the evidence actually points to the opposite. In fact, life sentences were never originally designed to last for life. In this episode, Hunter speaks with two individuals from the Sentencing Project: Campaign Strategist to End Life Imprisonment Alexandra Bailey and Senior Research Analyst Nazgol Ghandnoosh. They will share evidenc...
71: Every Public Defender Office Needs an Immigration Attorney w/Raha Jorjani 30.11.2022 1:10:41
Raha Jorjani is an Immigration Defense Attorney in Alameda County, home of California's first public defender Immigration Representation Unit. Because our immigration law is founded on the principle that deportation is a civil issue and not a criminal proceeding which, there are few immigration specific public defender units. This denies millions of people the basic right of public defense. T...
70: Challenging America's Punishment Bureaucracy w/Alec Karakatsanis 25.11.2022 39:49
Today, Hunter spoke with Alec Karakatsanis, Founder and Executive Director of Civil Rights Corps, for a discussion about dismantling America's punishment bureaucracy. With his work at Civil Rights Corps, Alec brought to light the immense human suffering caused by the punishment bureaucracy by highlighting the stories of people caught in it and then pushing massive class action lawsuits. This mod...
69: The Need for Holistic Family Representation w/Center for Family Representation New York 23.11.2022 59:59
When the whole family is involved, it can make all the difference. In this episode, Hunter speaks with three inspiring individuals out of Family Representation New York—Parent Advocate Supervisor Teyora Graves-Ferrell, Social Work Supervisor Ysmerlyn Murshed, and Senior Staff Attorney Vasili Stotis. Each one plays a very specific and important role within their organization, and they explain h...
68: Why do we Punish People? w/Kaelen Perrochet 21.11.2022 1:03:33
Why do we punish people? What are the goals of punishment and the legal system? At some point in time, we stopped asking ourselves these questions and it led to a legal system that is disjointed, inconsistent, and unnecessarily cruel. Today, Hunter spoke with Kaelen Perrochet, a Law Student at UCLA Law School, to dig through some of the philosophical underpinnings of any criminal legal system. ...
67: Managed Assigned Counsel: A Savvy Solution or a Simple Stop Gap? w/Jim Bethke 18.11.2022 1:08:37
Can a managed assigned council system be a workable solution to indigent defense problems? Jim Bethke is the former executive director of the Texas Indigent Defense Commission and the current director of the Managed Assigned Counsel Office in San Antonio. In this episode, he talks about the system that he helped create and the areas he thinks still need work. There are three main types of ind...
66: Is Incrementalism Enough to Fix the Criminal Legal System w/Jeff Blackburn 16.11.2022 1:17:14
Can people incarcerated afford to wait for small, gradual change? What happens to the people incarcerated if the system breaks? What is the right balance between the needs of the current case vs the needs of the future case? How do Public Defenders counter the decades long strategy of the Conservative legal movement with their own strategy? All these questions, and more, are pondered by Hunter and...
65: What Happened to the Prisoners Stuck in Jail During Hurricane Ian? w/Kathy Smith 14.11.2022 46:32
For Public Defenders who serve in coastal areas, the story on toady's show will be all too familiar. As Hurricane Ian barrelled toward the Florida coast, a state of emergency was declared and evacuation plans started to come together, but as is almost always the case, no one thought of those incarcerated. Today, Hunter spoke with Kathy Smith, Chief Public Defender in the 20 th Judicial District...
64: How Public Defense can Win the Media Battle w/Maggie Shepard 11.11.2022 1:01:23
How can journalists and public defenders work together to bring awareness to the real issues plaguing our court system? Today, Hunter spoke with Maggie Shepard, Director of Communications at the New Mexico Law Offices of the Public Defender, to discuss how public defenders can use media relations to deepen their connection with the community they are working to protect. A policy can only be eff...
63: Why do We Punish Domestic Violence Survivors? w/Alexandra Bailey 09.11.2022 1:03:12
When does a victim become a suspect? Very often, our legal system cares about someone's status as a victim when it allows the system to incarcerate someone. As soon as you stand in that goal, any harm done to you matters not. On today's episode, Hunter spoke with Alexandra Bailey, Campaign Strategist to End Life Imprisonment at the Sentencing Project, to discuss the ways our legal system punish...
62: Why Does the Aurora City Council Want to Dismantle the Public Defender Office w/Doug Wilson 07.11.2022 1:09:13
Today, Hunter sat down once again with Doug Wilson, Chief Public Defender in the Aurora Municipal Public Defender Office, to discuss what has unfolded in Aurora, Colorado over the past year. Often, people will ask the question, "Why do you think we don't fund Public Defender Offices the way we should?" While there are many potential answers to that question, this episode highlights one of the most...
61: Uncovering the Misconduct of Police, Prosecutors, and Judges w/Johann Drolshagen 04.11.2022 1:20:30
Thanks to the 1963 case of Brady v. Maryland , prosecutors are supposed to give the defense attorneys any evidence that may be beneficial to the defense's case. Despite this requirement, police misconduct has been allowed to fester for decades as prosecutors and judges openly flaunt their mandates share this evidence. Furthermore, the legal profession itself fails to police prosecutors and judges...
60: How Kansas Public Defense Got Headed in the Right Direction w/Heather Cessna 02.11.2022 1:07:48
Heather Cessna, executive director of the Kansas Board of Indigent Services, is dedicated to positively transforming public defense in her state. Since she's come on board, the quality of services has drastically increased as well as the working conditions for public defenders. In this episode, you'll learn the structure of the Kansas Indigent Defense System, its current problems, and recent wi...
59: The Lawsuit Pushing to Change the Wisconsin Public Defense w/John Birdsall and Hank Schultz 28.10.2022 1:08:32
Today, Hunter is joined by two guests hoping their lawsuit against the state of Wisconsin will bring vital changes to the State's Public Defender System. Hank Schultz and John Birdsall have a combined experience of more than 40 years of working as criminal defense attorneys in Wisconsin. Through this experience, they are acutely aware of the history of inadequate pay for contract counsel and toug...
58: Are Public Defense Unions the Key to Systemic Reform? w/Sam Allison-Natale and Bob Kolstad 26.10.2022 1:18:13
Are public defense unions the solution to reform? In this episode, Hunter speaks with Sam Allison-Natale, Executive Director of the Kansas Holistic Defenders, and Bob Kolstad, a public defender in Hennepin County, Minnesota. They'll walk you through everything you need to know about public defense unions and the philosophy behind them. Giving you a behind-the-scenes view, you'll learn the real...
57: Why More People and Public Defenders Need to Think and Advocate Systemically w/Olayemi Olurin 21.10.2022 1:05:29
This week, Hunter speaks with Olayemi Olurin—a political commentator, writer, activist, and public defender out of the New York Legal Aid Society. She has spent her career advocating for systematic change and brings with her a powerful perspective on the criminal justice system. There are many common lies and misconceptions that circulate about public defense, reform efforts, and the criminal ju...
56: Could Veteran Treatment Courts be the Key to Unlocking Criminal Justice Reforms? with David Pelletier 19.10.2022 58:18
Today on the show, Hunter is joined by David Pelletier, a Project Director in the Justice for Veterans division of the National Association of Drug Court Professionals, to discuss Veteran Treatment Courts. Founded by a lone judge in Buffalo, New York, Veteran Treatment Courts follow in the 30+ year tradition of broader treatment courts. These courts all seek to offer alternatives to incarceration...
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