Stacie and Jeff Mallinson
Protect Your Noggin
Hosts are Stacie Mallinson (educator, death doula and yogini) and Jeff Mallinson (D.Phil., Oxford, historian of philosophy and religion). This is usually a conversation with the news in one hand and the Tao Te Ching in the other, but the history of ideas and the wisdom of various traditions are also regular topics.
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Jun 27, 2026
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Meet the One (Tao Te Ching 39) 20.01.2021 9:11
The heavens met the One and were clarified. The earth met the One and became calm. Spirits met the One and became conscious. Valleys met the One and were filled with flowing water. The living things met the One and came alive. Leaders met the One and modeled justice for everyone. All of this all happened through realizing the One.
First Aid for Relationship Conflicts 19.01.2021 1:13:56
Jeff and Stacie try out a relationship strategy for use especially in the immediate wake of a conflict-producing event in a romantic relationship, religious community, or workplace. In order to “Taosurf” relationships, they suggest that it can be helpful to separate out a) intentions, b) actions, c) reactions, and d) resolutions. This conversation might help you think through the reasons why you g...
Happy Hour with the Lewises 12.01.2021 1:47:13
Grab your favorite beverage and join us for a long form conversation with our new friends Lori and Cliff Lewis (veteran Christian radio DJ and hair metal guitarist respectively), to discuss their experiences with Contemporary Christian Music, Lutheranism, the idea of vocation, and Solomon’s wisdom. The music behind the opening is Lori singing and then a taste of Femme Fatale transitions us into th...
Great Virtue (Tao Te Ching 38) 11.01.2021 8:52
When societies focus on etiquette and the husk of ethical relations, we are often dangerously close to having to turn to coercion and force instead of naturally harmonious interactions. This is where “flexing the muscles” comes in. When folks don’t follow the rules, the enforcers of societal stability have to remind everyone of their punitive power that is behind the rituals and protocols of polit...
The Tao, Suffering & Religious Education with Corey Farr 05.01.2021 1:35:53
An interview with Corey Farr, creator of the podcast A Christian Reads the Tao Te Ching. We discuss our favorite and least favorite chapters of the Tao Te Ching. We explore karma, providence, orphanages, and religious education. Farr is a seminary graduate, a Christian Anarchist, a writer, a poet and songwriter. He teaches at a residential school for Syrian refugees in Lebanon, and can be followed...
A Tipsy New Years Eve Discussion about Setting Intentions 01.01.2021 1:05:17
Why do many set an “intention” at the start of a contemplative practice or yin yoga session? How does this relate to New Year’s resolutions? Without the normal opportunities for group festivities, Jeff and Stacie spend a quiet evening discussing the advantages and dangers of setting expectations and establishing goals. The discussion gets going after a bit of champagne, so forgive the meandering o...
America’s Culture of Food Fear and Freedom 29.12.2020 1:26:34
This episode shares an international student perspective on American food, work & religion. We interview Jeff’s compelling student Malik, who is an international student who was stuck with us on an empty campus over the winter break. We invited candid observations from our guest, who obliged our questions but is by nature not one to offer unsolicited criticism. Nonetheless, we believe that the bes...
Let Your Children Flourish (Tao Te Ching 37) 29.12.2020 9:57
"The Tao does not coerce." --Lao Tzu. In this reflection, Stacie uses this chapter to help answer a question about rearing children through the way of non-domination.
Exhale (Tao Te Ching 36) 22.12.2020 11:21
If you want to exhale, first take a deep breath. If you want to relax, first tense your muscles. If you want to clear your mind first notice your frantic thoughts. If you want to receive, first give. This is how to perceive the light that’s hidden amid the shadows.
A True Family Christmas Special with Guest Casey Tinnin 21.12.2020 1:26:41
We discuss the nature of a true family and the importance of maintaining boundaries, especially in religious contexts in which we believe we have good intentions but are inappropriately trying to fix others. At min 41 we interview Rev. Casey Tinnin, one of Jeff’s favorite students over the years, and someone we think of as family. He shares his story of growing up in conservative Lutheranism and u...
Seek the Way of Non-Domination (How to Surf the Tao Lesson 9) 17.12.2020 1:37:58
In a world that is clawing for “winner” status and climbing over the “losers” without compassion, Lao Tzu teaches about three treasures he holds dear: compassion, minimalism, and the way of non-domination. Here, there is a sort of anarchy (listen to hear the precise definition of this term in both Taoist and Christian context), and definitely a rejection of the idea cruel power and domination as t...
Like a River (Tao Te Ching 34) 07.12.2020 12:14
The winding shape of a river is a natural occurrence caused by a natural flow. Observing its course, we see that it never attempts to smash straight through a rock or hill, but rather dances around obstacles and goes on its way. Nonetheless, only fools underestimate its power, which can undermine the mightiest of fortresses.
Confront Your True Self (Tao Te Ching 33) 02.12.2020 11:52
Discover what makes others tick and you'll be people smart. Understand your true self and you'll be enlightened. To confront others is gutsy. To confront your true self is heroic.
Rejoice In the Surplus (Tao Te Ching 32) 01.12.2020 7:38
Lao Tzu speaks of a profound and perhaps dreadful power that one could wield through deciphering the power in, with and under a single atom. Perhaps he even knew that one day humans could channel this power in the form of nuclear fission and weapons capable of leveling entire cities.
Get Stuff Done (How To Surf the Tao Lesson 8) 30.11.2020 1:07:35
Drawing from chapters 63 and 64, we discuss the ways in which acting by non-action (wu wei, or what we call surfing the Tao) actually leads to concrete action in the world. This is where the famous line: "a thousand mile trek begins with a single step" becomes especially relevant to life's overwhelming projects.
Treat War Like a Funeral (Tao Te Ching 31) 23.11.2020 7:13
Lao Tzu says that we ought not only use weapons as a last resort, he teaches that it is unhealthy to fetishize weapons, glorify violence, or take delight in the death of an enemy. This is eminently sound.
Avoiding Violence (Tao Te Ching 30) 23.11.2020 9:52
Invasive weeds grow whenever armies march through a land. After great wars, countries sink into famine and economic depression.
Sabbath and Saintly Selfishness 21.11.2020 1:12:20
Lao Tzu emphasizes value of carving out empty space in one's life for centering, creativity, and preparation for action. We discuss this, and the concept of Sabbath in the Jewish and Christian traditions. The chapters discussed are 11, 73 and 12.
When the World Seems Out of Control (Tao Te Ching 29) 19.11.2020 9:40
The concept of wu wei is practically and clearly stated in this chapter. Again, this principle of acting by not acting isn't about disregarding one's duties, nor is it about being a pushover. It's about letting the natural forces of the world flow as they flow without arrogantly assuming we can step in and control the flow through force.
Flow with The River of Life (Tao Te Ching 28) 16.11.2020 7:19
Lao Tzu clearly favors the feminine principle, the negative space, and the faith of a child. This last preference is especially resonant with the teachings of Jesus about being childlike. Over and over, we've been pointing to teachings from Jesus but not to create a syncretistic new way of thinking. Instead we are showing how Jesus and Lao Tzu often were teaching similar things. This has little to...
What Enlightenment Means (Tao Te Ching 27) 11.11.2020 13:38
The Sage is a savior of all people and discounts no one. She's not content with heaven, so long as anyone remains in a living hell.
Face Reality (How To Surf the Tao Lesson 6) 10.11.2020 1:29:29
Drawing from Lao Tzu chapters 16, 62, 70, snd 71, we explain one of the most important lessons of the Tao Te Ching : that it’s not really that hard to find the truth, but it’s hard to face the truth. This episode discusses the ways in which facing the truth can truly set us free. Most importantly, we become free from the fear that keeps us from truly living. Toward the end, Jeff speaks to religiou...
We Learn to Float (Tao Te Ching 26) 09.11.2020 9:41
Some falsely assume that the Taosurfer is free from all material attachments. While it is true that Lao Tzu's philosophy embraces the value of minimalism and is uninterested in accumulating excessive stuff, it remains aware of bodily needs and the essential tools necessary for life in this world.
Something Formless and Void (Tao Te Ching 25) 03.11.2020 10:36
So, the Tao is sublime. Heaven, earth, and humanity are also sublime. See how there are four sublime realities in the universe, and humanity is included?
Rejoice In the Surplus (Tao Te Ching 32) 03.11.2020 7:38
The language of "a million, billion, billion times smaller than a single atom is actually a direct quotation from MIT physicist Alan Lightman (Nancy Szokan, What Came before the Big Bang, Washington Post, Jan. 4, 2016). The language sounded both scientific and poetic. The Tao is sort of like that. It's the aesthetics of mathematics and the mathematics behind good art. It is the awe inspired by fra...
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