John Willis

Profound

Business EN ↓ 96 episodes

Ramblings about W. Edwards Deming in the digital transformation era. The general idea of the podcast is derived from Dr. Demming's seminal work described in his New Economics book - System of Profound Knowledge ( SoPK ). We'll try and get a mix of interviews from IT, Healthcare, and Manufacturing with the goal of aligning these ideas with Digital Transformation possibilities. Everything related to Dr. Deming's ideas is on the table (e.g., Goldratt, C.I. Lewis, Ohno, Shingo, Lean, Agile, and DevOps). 

Author

John Willis

Category

Business

Podcast website

profound.buzzsprout.com

Latest episode

Jun 10, 2026

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Episodes

S4 E21 - Erik J. Larson - The Myth of AI and Unravelling The Hype 18.09.2024

In this episode of the Profound Podcast, I speak with Erik J. Larson, author of The Myth of Artificial Intelligence , about the speculative nature and real limitations of AI, particularly in relation to achieving Artificial General Intelligence (AGI). Larson delves into the philosophical and scientific misunderstandings surrounding AI, challenging the dominant narrative that AGI is just around the...

S4 E20 - Dr. Jabe Bloom - Navigating Complexity with Pragmatic Philosophy 04.09.2024

In this episode of The Profound Podcast , I have an enlightening conversation with Dr. Jabe Bloom, a prominent voice in the fields of DevOps and digital transformation. The discussion revolves around the philosophical underpinnings of scientific reasoning and its application to complex systems, particularly through the lens of Charles Sanders Peirce's work on abductive reasoning. Jabe Bloom b...

S4 E19 - Andrew Clay Shafer - Unpacking DevOps Evolution and the Future of Digital Transformation 06.08.2024

In this episode of The Profound Podcast,  I speak with Andrew Clay Shafer, a pivotal figure in the DevOps community and a key influencer in the industry. They delve into the evolution of DevOps, its current state, and its implications for the future, particularly in the context of digital transformation. The conversation begins with a reflection on the early days of DevOps and Agile, highlighting...

S4 E18 - Joseph Enochs - Embracing AI in the Enterprise 23.07.2024

In this episode, I speak with Joseph Enochs, Managing Director of AI/ML and Emerging Technologies at Enterprise Vision Technologies. Known for his extensive background in DevOps and digital transformation, Joseph shares his remarkable journey transitioning into the AI domain. Joseph begins by recounting how his interest in AI was sparked, notably influenced by the foundational concepts of W. Edwar...

S4 E 17 - Dr. Barbara Lawton - Insights on Evolution and Learning in the Digital Age 09.07.2024

In this episode, I sit down with Dr. Barbara Lawton, a distinguished statistician and expert in experimental design. Dr. Lawton shares her journey from studying biology and ecology to diving deep into statistics, eventually finding herself at the Rocky Flats nuclear weapons facility. It was here she experienced a pivotal moment that led her to W. Edwards Deming's teachings. Dr. Lawton recount...

S4 E16 - Angela Montgomery - Integrating Deming and Goldratt for Organizational Transformation 26.06.2024

In this insightful episode of the Profound Podcast, I speak with Angela Montgomery, co-founder of Intelligent Management and author of the upcoming book, The Human Constraint . Angela shares her unique journey from a background in arts to collaborating with physicists. The conversation delves into the artificial barriers within organizations, the importance of systemic thinking, and how integratin...

S4 E15 - Mike Beck - Engineering Excellence Through Deming's Lens 18.06.2024

In this episode, I had a conversation with Mike Beck. We dive deep into W. Edwards Deming's seminal perspectives on quality and their application in the automotive and healthcare sectors. Mike, with his vast experience at General Motors and Toyota, shares compelling stories and insights on how Deming's principles transformed his approach to engineering and management. Mike Beck's jo...

S4 E14 - Rob Park - Navigating Software Evolution through Deming's Principles 05.06.2024

In this episode of the Profound Podcast, I have a conversation with Rob Park. Rob shares his journey from early involvement in extreme programming (XP) to his current fascination with W. Edwards Deming's principles and their application in modern software development. Rob's career path offers a rich tapestry of experiences, from using case tools and adopting scrum practices before they w...

S4 E13 - Beth Blankenship - Exploring Deming's Legacy and Modern Applications 28.05.2024

In this episode, I have a conversation with Beth Blankenship, a seasoned expert in quality management and a fervent disciple of W. Edwards Deming. We dive deep into Deming's profound principles and their continued relevance in today's digital transformation landscape. Beth begins by sharing her journey from an IT background to becoming a passionate advocate for Deming's teachings. H...

S4 E12 - Dr. Jabe Bloom - Temporal Design and Digital Transformation 21.05.2024

In this episode, I sit down with Dr. Jabe Bloom, an expert in design studies and organizational theory. Recently completing his PhD at Carnegie Mellon, Dr. Bloom brings a fresh perspective on the intersection of temporality, complexity, and design, particularly in the context of digital transformation in IT and other industries. We dive into the nuances of temporality versus time, exploring how th...

S4 E11 - John Dues - Transforming Education Through Deming's Principles 14.05.2024

In this episode of the Profound Podcast, I'm joined by John Dues, Chief Learning Officer at United Schools Network in Ohio and an innovative educator who has ingeniously applied W. Edwards Deming's theories to the educational sector. John shares his journey of discovery into Deming's methodologies and how these have profoundly influenced his approach to improving educational systems...

S4 E10 - Ariane David, PhD - Embracing Uncertainty in Transformation 29.04.2024

In this episode of the Profound Podcast, I have the pleasure of speaking with Ariane David, PhD, an insightful thinker and academic who delves into the principles of non-positional thinking and its profound impact on personal and organizational learning. We explore how W. Edwards Deming's theories on quality and continuous improvement intersect with modern challenges in digital transformation...

S4 E9 - Bill Bellows - Unveiling the Spectrum of System Thinking Part 2 22.04.2024

In the second episode of my two-part discussion with Bill Bellows, we explore the nuanced realms of quality management, variation, and integration, drawing from the rich legacy of W. Edwards Deming and Genichi Taguchi, and their profound impact on industries ranging from automotive to aerospace. Bill Bellows shares enlightening perspectives on the historical collaboration between Ford and Mazda, i...

S4 E8 - Bill Bellows - Unveiling the Spectrum of System Thinking Part 1 15.04.2024

In the first part of a two-part series with Bill Bellows, we delve deep into the essence of system thinking and its pivotal role in shaping organizations. Bellows leads us on a journey exploring the nuanced differences between 'Red Pen' and 'Blue Pen' organizations, and beyond, into the realms of 'Me' versus 'We' and the collective impact of every straw on t...

S4 E7 - Dave Nave - Engineering Quality and Transformation with Deming's Legacy 09.04.2024

In this episode of the Profound Podcast, I had the pleasure of engaging with Dave Nave, a multifaceted expert with a rich background in engineering, quality improvement, and business management consulting. Through his work and studies, Nave has delved deep into W. Edwards Deming's philosophies, applying these principles across various sectors with notable emphasis on manufacturing. Our conver...

S4 E6 - Dr. Khai Minh Pham - Redefining Our Understanding of AI 02.04.2024

In this episode of Profound,  I talk with Dr. Khai Minh Pham, whose unique approach to artificial intelligence challenges conventional paradigms and opens new frontiers in AI research and application. Dr. Pham, with his extensive background in both medicine and artificial intelligence, shares his journey towards creating a distinctive AI framework that prioritizes knowledge over data, steering cle...

S4 E5 - Richard Steele - Navigating Cultural Shifts with Deming's Philosophy 06.03.2024

In this episode of the Profound Podcast, I engage in an insightful conversation with Richard Steele, founder and president of Peeker Services. We explore his journey from rebuilding locomotives to embracing W. Edwards Deming's principles, leading to a radical change in his company's management practices, particularly around performance appraisals and bonus systems. Steele shares transfor...

S4 E4 - Bill Bellows - Unraveling Complexity in Safety and Quality Part 2 26.02.2024

 In part two of their discussion, John Willis engages in a deep dive with Bill Bellows on the multifaceted world of safety, quality, and systems thinking. Inspired by the pioneering work of Sydney Decker, Dr. Woods, and Erik Hollnagel, they explore the nuanced perspectives on safety and quality that transcend conventional understanding. John and Bill navigate the intricate connections between thor...

S4 E3 - Bill Bellows - Navigating Organizations Through a Systems Lens Part 1 20.02.2024

In this episode, I sit down once again with Bill Bellows to explore the interconnected nature of quality thinking. Our conversation ventures beyond traditional boundaries, drawing on Bill's unique insights into systemic thinking and its implications for organizational excellence. We delve into the philosophy of interconnectedness, illustrating how quality extends far beyond the superficial, e...

S4 E2 - Derek Lewis - Legacy of Quality Control Pioneers 10.02.2024

I have a great discussion between Derek Lewis and John Willis, focusing on the historical and philosophical underpinnings of quality control and those who were paramount to the movement including Walter Shewhart, W. Edwards Deming, and Joseph M. Juran. The dialogue includes anecdotes, critiques, and appreciations of Shewhart and Deming's work, including a dramatic rendition of a critique by J...

S4 E1 - Adam Hawkins - Seeking Quality in the Digital Landscape 07.02.2024

I have an enlightening conversation with Adam Hawkins in this episode. We dive deep into W. Edwards Deming's seminal perspectives on quality.  Our dialogue explores how this expansive framing of quality requires connecting producers and consumers in a broader system. We relate these concepts to service level objectives (SLOs) and their role in quantifying acceptable loss balanced against keep...

S3 E9 - Bill Bellows - Genichi Taguchi and Quality - Part 2 22.01.2024

In this second part of a two-part series, I speak with Bill Bellows about W. Edwards Deming's influence on Japanese manufacturing, specifically Toyota. We discuss Deming's relationship with Genichi Taguchi and how their quality philosophies intersect and complement each other. We explore Deming and Taguchi's differing notions of quality - meeting specifications versus minimizing los...

S3 E8 - Bill Bellows - Genichi Taguchi and Quality - Part 1 18.01.2024

In this first part of a two-part series, I chat with Bill Bellows in this episode. Bill gave us a little history of his introduction to Genichi Taguchi's methods and quality concepts while working as an engineer in the jet engine industry. We explore key ideas around variability reduction, precision vs accuracy, process capability, and Taguchi's loss function. Our conversation looks at t...

S3 E7 - Tracy Bannon - DevOps, DevSecOps, SRE, Risk, and Generative AI 28.03.2023

I geek out with Tracy Bannon in this episode. Tracy gave us a little history of MITRE and her work at MITRE. DevOps, DevSecOps, and SRE, were also discussed from words to movements. We explore QA and risk controls as well as modern governance. Our conversation ended with a great discussion about generative AI, specifically ChatGPT.  Tracy can be found on Linkedin here: https://www.linkedin.com/in/...

S3 E6 - Mike Harris - Profound Testing 12.03.2023

This episode features Mike Harris, a Tester at Geckoboard who self-identifies as a Tester. We discuss how vital Dr. Deming's ideas are to testing, especially around the System of Profound Knowledge, with Mike, who has worked in testing for 20 years. It is another example of Dr. Deming's ideas' relevance in the modern era. Here's a summary: Introducing Mike Harris. 0:02 Deming’s...

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