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Profit First for Lawyers
The Profit First for Lawyers podcast is the companion show to the book, Profit First for Lawyers by RJon Robins. The goal of the book and podcast are to empower lawyers with practical and actionable information to help them improve their lives by putting their family, their firm, and their Profits First.
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Jul 9, 2026
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Episodes
Profit is Not an Event, It’s a Habit 01.07.2025 11:55
“Profit cannot be treated as an event. It must be treated as a habit, but that is not how most business owners approach the profitability of their business.” – RJon Robins If you’ve been waiting for your next client or that one big case to swoop in and save your law firm’s profitability, this episode is your wake-up call. RJon drops some serious truth bombs about why...
What Law School Doesn’t Teach 26.06.2025 29:43
“If your law school experience was anything like mine, chances are they taught you nothing in law school about the business of how to manage a law firm. In fact, they may have even given you the same bad advice that I have heard repeated from many thousands of lawyers who I have had the opportunity to work with over the years. Just be a great lawyer and the rest will take care of itself. Yea...
Flip the Script on Profit 24.06.2025 12:02
“When we implement Profit First accounting principles in your law firm, we begin by deciding ahead of time what percentage of every dollar of revenue we’re going to scoop off the top and protect for you and your family.” If your law firm feels like it eats cash faster than you can make it, you’re not wrong. The traditional approach to law firm finances is completely backwar...
Profit First for Lawyers Season Trailer 21.06.2025 1:55
The wait is over! Join us for an exciting new podcast season based on RJon Robins’ bestselling book, “Profit First for Lawyers.” This game-changing book has sold over 25,000 copies and is transforming a new generation of law firm owners who take their profit first. Connect with us: Subscribe to the podcast Watch episodes on YouTube Follow Profit First for Lawyers on Facebook , In...
Bonus 2 of 2: The Managing Partners Podcast with RJon Robins 15.02.2024 44:34
This bonus episode of the Profit First For Lawyers podcast was originally featured on The Managing Partners Podcast hosted by Kevin Daisey. This interview with RJon Robins is the second in a two-part series. Part one of the series can be heard on Apple Podcasts or Spotify and watched on YouTube . The Definition of a Successful Law Firm RJon picks up the conversation from last week’s episode...
BONUS 1 of 2: The Managing Partners Podcast with RJon Robins 08.02.2024 52:35
This bonus episode of the Profit First For Lawyers podcast was originally featured on The Managing Partners Podcast hosted by Kevin Daisey. This interview with RJon Robins is the first in a two-part series. Redefining Success RJon shares his transformative journey from financial adversity to profitability. This episode focuses on the critical mindset shift law firm owners should embrace as entrepr...
Our Promise To You 30.11.2023 31:03
The curtain closes on a sensational season for the Profit First For Lawyers podcast. We thank you for joining us each week for episodes filled with actionable insights. This podcast was launched in advance of the Profit First For Lawyers book publish date. All while RJon was in Paris. The surprise reveal about the podcast to RJon at the July Live Quarterly Meeting (LQM) made for some fun moments o...
Profit First – More Than Just A Book 28.11.2023 35:05
Mike Michalowicz, author of Profit First and co-founder of Profit First Professionals talks all things Profit First. Mike shares the story behind Profit First, which he developed after nearly losing everything when his business collapsed. This experience prompted him to study what makes companies profitable. His revelation? Apply the same personal finance “pay yourself first” principle...
Profit In All Areas of Your Life 23.11.2023 13:13
As we approach the end of the season, we look back on RJon’s promise to readers of his book Profit First For Lawyers. “ If you implement what I’m going to be sharing with you in this book, your law firm will definitely become more profitable.” RJon Robins, Profit First For Lawyers, Chapter 1 Personal Impact and Professional Benefits In this episode, Karli speaks with law fi...
Enjoy The Suck 21.11.2023 44:41
This episode packed with Profit First insights features Ron Saharyan, co-founder of the Profit First Professionals. Ron shares practical insights about Profit First fundamentals. He gives actionable tips for law firm owners who want to build a healthy, sustainable, and profitable business by following the Profit First methodology. We also hear about how Ron’s childhood friendship with Profit...
Just Grow Up 16.11.2023 37:49
In this episode, we have a candid conversation with Marie Drake who shares the story behind why she became a lawyer, her family law practice, and her “No B.S. Divorce” model. She also talks about how a colleague’s drastic transformation led Marie to attend a Live Quarterly Meeting and join How To MANAGE a Small Law Firm four years ago. Marie has embraced Profit First and found RJ...
Are You A Sucky Client? 14.11.2023 8:24
In this revealing episode, RJon flips the script and calls out lawyers who may be sucky clients to their bookkeepers. RJon in the Studio In Chapter 16 of the Profit First for Lawyers book, RJon compares the attributes of disengaged legal clients to how some lawyers treat their bookkeepers. From showing up late (or not at all) to meetings and expecting their lawyers to read their minds to shirking...
Is Your Household Your Law Firm’s Bank? 09.11.2023 9:34
This candid episode tackles a difficult topic – many law firm owners are using their household income to subsidize their law firm’s business at the expense of their household finances. RJon in the Studio During a recording session, Karli asked RJon for clarity about why some law firm owners use household money meant for children’s education or other family expenses to fund their...
Take Flight: Elevate Your Mindset to Profitability 07.11.2023 38:55
Alejandra Leibovich, Co-Founder of How To MANAGE a Small Law Firm , explains how law firm owners can get off the ground and take flight to escape the “doctrine of sacrifice” mentality. She also recounts the early days of How To MANAGE and the origin of TAYE ASTUYA. Stuck on the Ground Running a profitable law firm requires a strategic bird’s eye view. Ale shares how struggling la...
Is It Overhead or Overhead? 02.11.2023 9:32
In this episode of Profit First For Lawyers, RJon explains the revolutionary concept of categorizing overhead expenses as either “static” or “dynamic” to better control costs and increase opportunity for growth. RJon in the Studio RJon goes into detail about the differences between Static Overhead and Dynamic Overhead. He explains Static Overhead as fixed costs like rent, u...
Face Your Fears 31.10.2023 40:34
Fear and self-doubt can prevent us from achieving our biggest dreams and reaching our fullest potential. In this special Halloween episode of the Profit First For Lawyers podcast, Karli and Raul discuss how to face fears, unmask ego, and breakthrough limiting beliefs. Key Insights from RJon Their conversation revolves around a clip from a Facebook Live in 2021 of RJon talking through an early draf...
Total Owner Benefits 26.10.2023 6:37
An overview of Total Owner Benefits (TOB). Looking beyond just salary to the full profit potential law firm owners can receive as outlined in Chapter 9 of the Profit First for Lawyers book. RJon in the Studio RJon explores conventional vs. creative definitions of profit. He also tackles law firm owner pay as it relates to fair market salary for their work roles. He discourages inflated owner salar...
Focus On Things That Matter 24.10.2023 32:22
In this episode, we are joined by RJon’s personal accountant, Daniel Ferro to discuss perspectives on profitability. Daniel shares his journey from traditional accounting jobs to joining RJon’s fast-paced team at How to Manage a Small Law Firm . Daniel offers a glimpse of what it is like to work closely with RJon and the insights he has learned along the way. Defining Profitability Dan...
Liberate Your Law Firm from GAAP 19.10.2023 10:07
We continue exploring how Generally Acceptable Accounting Principles (GAAP) was not meant for non-publicly traded companies like private law firms. RJon in the Studio RJon reviews how GAAP was created by regulators to standardize publicly traded company accounting after the 1929 stock market crashes. He argues GAAP has nothing to do with maximizing private company profits. This is only one of the...
Truth is Kind 17.10.2023 22:43
Denise Doonkeen returns to discuss how truthful yet kind communication, even when uncomfortable, leads to better outcomes in business and life. A Coaching Session In The Studio We hear a behind-the-scenes clip of RJon coaching Karli in the studio. After a “flat” reading, he urges her to give him candid and honest feedback about his narration performance. He explains that hard truth is...
GAAP Was Not Meant For You 12.10.2023 12:32
In our ongoing accounting and tax series, we begin a two episode deep-dive into Generally Accepted Accounting Principles (GAAP). RJon takes a hard look at the origins of GAAP, explores why accountants and CPAs continue to use it, and why opting-out of GAAP is worth consideration. RJon in the Studio We hear a brief history lesson on the creation of GAAP. To do so we journey back to the Roaring R...
Does Your Accountant Have An Entrepreneurial Mindset? 10.10.2023 28:09
In this episode, Oscar Ferenczi, General Manager of How To Manage A Small Law Firm, joins Karli in the studio. Oscar with a rich background in business discusses the importance of truth in business, growth strategies, and why it’s essential to seek advice from people who have themselves achieved success. RJon in the Studio While accountants may be adept at accounting for revenues and expendi...
The CPA’s Oath: What Every Law Firm Owner Should Know 05.10.2023 13:20
In this episode, we explore the differences between the oaths and responsibilities lawyers and CPAs have to their clients. Discover what sets them apart and the case for finding a CPA who will advocate for your law firm. RJon in the Studio To gain insight into the core tenants and motivations of professionals such as CPAs or attorneys, RJon examines their respective oaths. One distinction is that...
From Expense to Investment: Uncovering the Purpose 03.10.2023 37:46
In this episode we look at the difference between costs associated with an expense and an investment.   Something may seem expensive, but if it helps you achieve your goals, it’s likely an investment not just an expense. Mindset Shift = Peace of Mind Delisi Friday, returns to discuss how one piece of RJon’s actionable advice encouraged her to challenge her mindset and cultural norms. She shar...
Tax Advisors Decoded 28.09.2023 13:38
In this episode, we uncover key insights about financial and tax advisors – what they do, what their limitations are, and how to know if yours are right for you. RJon in the Studio During the recording session for chapter seven of the Profit First For Lawyers audiobook, Karli asked RJon about the differences between a bookkeeper, a controller, an accountant, and a CFO. RJon answers with a cr...
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