Savanna Institute
Perennial AF
The Savanna Institute's podcast and blog about perennial agroforestry (AF) features interviews, questions from listeners, inside jokes, and more. Subscribe to Perennial AF to hear real AF conversations with some of the Midwest's top agroforesters and perennial farmers! More at https://www.savannainstitute.org/perennialAF
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Jun 2, 2026
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Episodes
“Embrace the Chaos” - Dayna Burtness, Beth Dooley, Eliza Greenman, and Anna Lappé 15.09.2023 1:02:03
In this recording from our 2021 Perennial Farm Gathering, farmer Dayna Burtness moderates an online panel conversation with cookbook author Beth Dooley, orchardist and historical horticulturist Eliza Greenman, and author and food justice advocate Anna Lappé. Hear more at https://www.youtube.com/@SavannaInstitute
“The Benefits of Silvopasture Are Endless” - Farm Tour with Erik Hagan and Michael Dolan 01.09.2023 42:00
A recording of our July 27th, 2023 pasture walk at the Spring Green Campus with farm director Erik Hagan and farmer Michael Dolan. Erik and Michael share lessons learned and compare "silvopasture by addition" and "silvopasture by subtraction". Show notes at https://www.savannainstitute.org/perennialaf/
Building an Agroforestry Business with Austin Unruh 15.08.2023 33:01
Austin Unruh, owner of Trees for Graziers and author of "The Grazier’s Guide to Trees", tells the story of how he started his agroforestry business in southeastern Pennsylvania and shares the advice he wished he had gotten as a beginning agroforestry entrepreneur in this recording from our 2022 Perennial Farm Gathering. You can learn more about Austin and his work at https://treesforgraziers...
“It’s Better To Learn From Other People’s Mistakes” - with Kathy Dice and Tom Wahl of Red Fern Farm 01.08.2023 51:51
Kathy Dice and Tom Wahl of Red Fern Farm in southeastern Iowa have been practicing agroforestry for decades. In July, podcast host Jacob Grace visited Red Fern Farm to ask Tom and Kathy what they see as the three biggest agroforestry mistakes people can make, learn what their most profitable tree crops are, and explore their established, profitable, and highy diverse agroforestry system. Sho...
Black Currants: From Farm to Flavor, a Once-Forbidden Fruit 15.07.2023 12:56
This mini-episode features voices from our 2021 black currant tasting event: farmers Kevin Wolz and Erin Schneider and chefs Odessa Piper and Colton Schara. You can learn more about growing and marketing black currants at https://www.savannainstitute.org/blackcurrants/
Coppice Agroforestry with Mark Krawczyk 01.07.2023 42:31
Exerpts from Mark Krawczyk's presentation at the 2022 Perennial Farm Gathering, drawing from Mark's new book , "Coppice Agroforestry". Mark provides an overview of techniques and tree crops for coppicing, or "the ancient practice of resprout silviculture" - cutting off trees to make them resprout and regrow in useful ways. More at https://www.savannainstitute.org/perennialaf/.
"Fearless Farm Finances" with Paul Dietmann and The Cutting Edge Podcast 01.06.2023 48:33
Paul Dietmann, Senior Lending Officer for Compeer Financial’s Emerging Markets program, talks with host Jacob Grace and with Steffen Mirsky from the UW-Madison Division of Extension's Emerging Crops program and co-host of The Cutting Edge Podcast . Paul has worked for many years helping farmers and landowners find ways to finance new crops or emerging practices like agroforestry. Fearless Fa...
Thick as Thieves with Samantha Bosco 15.05.2023 34:27
Excerpts from Dr. Samantha Bosco's presentation at the 2022 Perennial Farm Gathering, entitled "Thick as Thieves: A social ecology of nucivery in a more-than-human world". Dr. Bosco's presentation covers a wide range of topics, from the influence of foraging animals' personalities on forest composition to the non-binary nature of agroforestry and its connections to social justice and queerness in...
The Institute’s Roots with Keefe Keeley & Kevin Wolz 01.05.2023 1:07:20
To commemorate the Savanna Institute’s 10th anniversary this year, Kevin Wolz and Keefe Keeley recall the early days of the Savanna Institute, including Kevin’s role as a founding member of the first board of directors and Keefe’s role as the organization’s first employee (and first executive director). More at https://www.savannainstitute.org/perennialaf/
Virtual Fence, and “The Artist’s Way” for Agroforesters 15.04.2023 28:57
Meghan Filbert discusses virtual fence technology in a recording from our most recent Perennial Farm Gathering, and staff member Bill Davison reads an essay he wrote about how the book "The Artist's Way" by Julia Cameron has influenced his thinking about farming and agroforestry. Show notes at savannainstitute.org/perennialaf/
Grazing on Solar Farms, Mobilizing Goats, and Finding Farm Dogs – with Aaron Steele 02.04.2023 50:32
Aaron Steele is an Iowa farmer and entrepreneur, owner of Goats On The Go®, Sheep on the Go®, and host of the Farm Dog podcast. In this episode, Aaron describes why he started his business and his podcast, and discusses what he sees for the future of grazing on solar farms. Show notes and links at https://www.savannainstitute.org/perennialaf Farm Dog podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/po...
New Forest Farm Tour with Mark Shepard 15.03.2023 48:07
An audio tour of agroforestry and perennial farming systems at New Forest Farm in southwestern Wisconsin with farmer Mark Shepard, author of "Restoration Agriculture".
Shower Goats and Arctic Kiwis - with Xinyuan Shi 01.03.2023 45:11
Savanna Institute Research Fellow Xinyuan Shi describes her time as an Agroforestry Apprentice and talks about her current research on silvopasture and multifunctional agroforestry buffers. We also share a teaser for the Agroforestry Podcast, hosted by the Center for Agroforestry. Show notes: https://www.savannainstitute.org/perennialaf/
“Perennial Dreams and Realities” - Keynote by Dr. Ricardo Salvador, 2022 Perennial Farm Gathering 15.02.2023 1:34:07
A recording of Dr. Ricardo Salvador's keynote presentation to the 2022 Perennial Farm Gathering, "Perennial Dreams and Realities", which draws on Dr. Salvador's decades of experience working with scientists, farmers, and policymakers. Dr. Salvador has spent much of his career working in Iowa, and now serves as the director of the Food and Environment Program at the Union of Concerned Scientists. S...
How NOT to Start a Farm - with Marie Raboin 01.02.2023 31:41
Marie Raboin is a beginning farmer in southern Wisconsin who has already learned a lot from her first few years of raising livestock and tree crops . In this episode, host Jacob Grace visits Marie to see how many of his farm dreams can withstand her scrutiny.
The Climate Conversation with Keefe Keeley, Tucker Gretebeck, and the Environmental and Energy Study Institute 15.01.2023 24:26
This episode is a collaboration with The Climate Conversation podcast , which is produced by the Environmental and Energy Study Institute (EESI). Hosts Dan Bresette and Emma Johnson interviewed Keefe Keeley, Savanna Institute's executive director, and Tucker Gretebeck, an organic dairy farmer, about how they got into agroforestry and what they're hoping to see in this year's Farm Bill. You can lea...
Partnering for Agroforestry, Part II: Nettle Valley Farm, Southern Ohio Chestnut Company, and Delight Flower Farm 15.12.2022 32:29
Agroforestry can be tough to do on your own. This episode features interviews from our "Partnering for Agroforestry" series about successful partnerships that have made agroforestry possible. As farmer Dayna Burtness says, “We don’t all have to do it alone. That’s the way of the past!” You can see the full video series at https://www.savannainstitute.org/partnering/
"Is This Really A Dairy Farm?" - Ask-a-Farmer with Greg Galbraith 01.12.2022 52:32
Greg Galbraith, a retired Wisconsin organic dairy farmer turned podcaster, answers questions from listeners and tells some stories about his time as a farmer. Show notes available at https://www.savannainstitute.org/perennialaf/
Cooking with Perennial Ingredients - Beth Dooley, Linda Hezel, Rick Mullins, & Taylor Neff 15.11.2022 1:02:30
As we enter the holiday season, many of us begin thinking about food and cooking - and what to do with perennial crops as they go from farm to kitchen. In this recorded webinar from January 2022, we hear a conversation between cookbook author Beth Dooley, farmer Linda Hezel, chef Rick Mullins, and agroforestry apprentice Taylor Neff. We hope this episode will inspire you to “go get some really goo...
“Why Do Farmers Wear Overalls?” - Farmers answer commonly Googled questions about farming 01.10.2022 33:54
In this episode, Marie Raboin of Brix Cider, Jacob Marty of Green Fire Farm, and Thelma Heidel-Baker of Bossie Cow Farm answer some of Google's top questions about farmers and farming. You'll never think about overalls the same way again! Show notes at https://www.savannainstitute.org/perennialaf/
Agriculture as a Climate Solution: Just Add Trees 15.09.2022 30:45
Keefe Keeley and Barbara Decr é discuss agroforestry as a natural climate solution in a recorded webinar for the Wisconsin Academy of Sciences, Arts, and Letters. Learn more about Climate Fast Forward, Oct. 17th, 2022: https://www.wisconsinacademy.org/climate-fast-forward-2022
“You'll Be Stuck Raising Vegetables!” - with Bill Davison 01.09.2022 46:47
Savanna Institute staff member Bill Davison answers questions from listeners and shares some of his favorite podcasts, books, and perspectives for succeeding with agroforestry.
Partnering for Agroforestry, Part I: All Seasons Farm, Organic Compound, and Silverwood Park 15.08.2022 20:17
This episode features voices from our Partnering for Agroforestry series: All Seasons Farm, Organic Compound, and Silverwood Park. Learn more about these partnerships on our YouTube channel and at https://www.savannainstitute.org/partnering/
"The Indiana Jones of Agroforestry" with Eliza Greenman 01.08.2022 44:08
Eliza Greenman is a farmer, "fruit explorer", and Savanna Institute staff member based in Virginia. In this episode, she answers questions from listeners, plays a round of agroforestry would-you-rathers, and talks about her latest agroforestry work.
"Why Are We Still Using Old AF Technology?" - with Eric Wolske 15.07.2022 1:02:02
Eric Wolske is an experienced agroforestry researcher with a fondness for "booze crops" and an interest in modernizing agroforestry equipment and machinery. In this episode, Eric answers questions submitted by listeners and talks about his new role with Canopy Farm Management in Illinois.
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