Matt Devost & Bob Gourley
OODAcast
Informing your decisions with intelligence, analysis, and insight on technology, business, cybersecurity, and global risk issues. Brought to you by the team at OODAloop.com
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May 27, 2025
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Episodes
Episode 54: Michele Wucker on Identifying and Confronting the Obvious Risks of Gray Rhinos 19.02.2021 45:10
Michele Wucker is specialist in risk management and crisis anticipation and is author of the book "The Gray Rhino: How to Recognize and Act on the Obvious Dangers We Ignore". While we've all become familiar with Taleb's concept of Black Swans, we must equally become intimately aquatinted with Wucker's Gray Rhinos as they provide more obvious opportunities for actually anticipating and managing ris...
Episode 53: Vikram Sharma, CEO of Quintessence Labs on Leadership in the Quantum Era 12.02.2021 46:47
Vikram Sharma is the founder and CEO of Canberra Australia based QuintessenceLabs. His company provides solutions based on quantum technology to strengthen cryptographic key creation and management at scale. This is an urgent need in this era of increasingly sophisticated cyberattacks, and key to protecting data now and into the future. Q-Labs uses the world's fastest random-number generator to cr...
Episode 52: Former CIA Officer Rob Richer on the Geopolitical Landscape, Leadership Lessons Learned, and Supporting Decision-makers 05.02.2021 39:31
Rob Richer is a highly regarded advisor to international executives and global government leaders including several heads of state. Rob has a well informed perspective on international risks and opportunities and an ability to analyze and distill observations in a way that is meaningful for your decision making process. In this OODAcast we cover the current state of global and domestic affairs, ke...
Episode 51: Camila Russo on Ethereum and the Future of Decentralized Finance (DeFi) 28.01.2021 40:51
This week's OODAcast features an interview with Camila Russo, the author of the book "The Infinite Machine: How an Army of Crypto-hackers Is Building the Next Internet with Ethereum". Camila is also the founder of the Decentralized Finance (DeFi) site The Defiant, which tracks developments, emerging trends, and news in the fast moving DeFi space. In this interview, Camila shares how her experience...
Episode 50: Will Hurd on Skills For Success In The Modern Age 21.01.2021 43:03
Former Congressman Will Hurd joins us on this episode of OODACast to discuss what he has learned about business and entrepreneurship from a diverse career in the intelligence community, elected office and the private sector. Will has successfully leveraged the skills of a CIA operations officer in a variety of contexts, including the founding of cybersecurity firm FusionX with OODA co-founder, Mat...
Episode 49: Kathy and Randy Pherson, Authors of Critical Thinking for Strategic Intelligence 15.01.2021 44:16
Kathy and Randy Pherson both had successful careers in the US Intelligence Community, where they pioneered new analytical methods and would later help bring those methods to widespread adoption in the community. Both are also successful business leaders who created companies that build value for others. In the OODAcast we discuss the third edition of their book: Critical Thinking for Strategic Int...
Episode 48: Ric Prado on Intelligence Operations and a Legendary Career in the CIA 05.01.2021 47:53
Ric Prado has been described by CIA leadership as the closest thing to 007 that the United States has ever had. Ric's life is packed with more adventure and operations than your favorite spy novel series. Coming out of the shadows, this is Ric's first video interview and covers his career, operational decision-making lessons learned, why we need a next generation of CIA agents, and we even dive in...
Episode 47: The Top 10 Security, Technology, and Business Books of 2020 22.12.2020 28:31
In this OODAcast, Bob Gourley and Matt Devost discuss Matt's picks for the Top 10 Security, Technology, and Business Books of the year. Now in its 5th year, Matt's top ten book list is one of the most popular posts of the year and we look forward to interviewing several of the authors on OODAcast in 2021. Also see the full write up of the Top 10 list here: https://www.oodaloop.com/archive/2020/12/...
Episode 46: Mischel Kwon, Founder and CEO of W@tchTower 17.12.2020 31:01
In this OODAcast we interview Michel Kwon, the founder and CEO of W@tchTower . She is a leader who has proven herself through an ability to success in three different career fields, first as a developer and programmer creating enterprise grade solutions, then as a government executive who would eventually lead the United States Computer Emergency Readiness Team (US-CERT)during a critical period in...
Episode 45: Juan Enriquez On Technology, Ethics and the Future 11.12.2020 51:08
Juan Enriquez has succeeded as a businessman, academic, author and lecturer. For those who might not have met him via any of his many appearances and presentations, he can be succinctly described as an authority on the economic and political impacts of life sciences and a thinker able to help frame the much needed discussions we all need to have on ethics. He serves on the discovery council at Har...
Episode 44: Masha Sedova, Co-Founder Elevate Security on Human Risk Management 04.12.2020 45:22
Masha Sedova is an award-winning people-security expert, speaker, and entrepreneur focused on helping companies transform employees from a risk into a key element of defense. She has been a part of our OODA Network for years, including speaking at our legacy FedCyber event, where she introduced the behavior-based and gamified cybersecurity training and awareness she put in place at Salesforce. She...
Episode 43: Bob Gourley on Operational Intelligence for Strategic Decision-making 20.11.2020 33:44
In this OODAcast, OODA Network Expert Jen Hoar interviews noted cybersecurity and intelligence professional Bob Gourley, CTO of OODA LLC, diving deep into what makes him tick. Jen asks Bob about his career, including the constants and dynamics in his professional life, starting with a deep background in operational intelligence as a naval intelligence officer. She explores his strengths and weakne...
Episode 42: CEO of Women's Society of Cyberjutsu and Cybersecurity Leader Mari Galloway 13.11.2020 27:13
Like many others we have observed first hand the positive changes in the cybersecurity community being enabled by Mari Galloway. In this OODAcast we look beyond those changes to find out what makes her tick, revealing lessons applicable to professionals in any stage of their career. Mari is the CEO and a founding board member for the Women's Society of Cyberjutsu (WSC), one of the fastest growing...
Episode 41: Technology Risk Executive and former NASA CISO and CIO Jerry Davis 06.11.2020 43:30
Jerry Davis has spent decades succeeding in hard jobs supporting critically important missions. He is a decorated combat Veteran who served in he US Marines for 11 years including in Operation Desert Storm/Desert Shield. He also served in the Central Intelligence Agency in service to world wide missions including leveraging technology in denied areas against high profile targets. Jerry would late...
Episode 40: Paul Kurtz, Iconic Cybersecurity Leader and Founder of TruSTAR 30.10.2020 44:20
Paul Kurtz is an internationally recognized expert on cybersecurity and the Co-Founder and Chairman of TruSTAR. Paul began working on cybersecurity at the White House in the late 1990s. He served in senior positions relating to critical infrastructure and counterterrorism on the White House's National Security and Homeland Security Councils under Presidents Clinton and Bush. After leaving governme...
Episode 39: Rear Admiral Paul Becker, USN (ret) on leadership in the modern age 23.10.2020 36:07
Rear Admiral Paul Becker, USN (Retired), is an author, speaker and board member with extensive experience in intelligence operations. During his 30 year career as a naval intelligence officer he lead major operational intelligence efforts, rising to the position of Director of Intelligence (J2) for the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Upon retirement from the Navy he formed a consultancy delivering solution...
Episode 38: Dr. Melissa Flagg of the Center for Security and Emerging Technology 16.10.2020 35:56
Dr. Melissa Flagg is a Senior Fellow at the Center for Security and Emerging Technology (CSET) at Georgetown University. Previously she served as the Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Research, responsible for policy and oversight Defense Department science and technology programs including basic research through advanced technology development and the DoD laboratory enterprise. She has wo...
Episode 37: Mark Weatherford On Leading Change As a CISO 12.10.2020 33:33
Mark Weatherford is an icon in the cybersecurity field. He is widely known as a mission focused leader who builds teams and gets hard things done. His career included success in the US Navy as a cryptologist, leadership and management in a major defense integrator, CISO for two states (Colorado and California), CISO of the nation's regulatory organization for our power grid (the NERC), head of sec...
Episode 36: Matt Devost on Hacking Entrepreneurship and Identifying Threats and Opportunities 01.10.2020 58:02
In this OODAcast, the tables are turned as OODA Network Expert Jen Hoar interviews CEO Matt Devost and they discuss how Matt consistently identified new threats and opportunities by blending eccentric interests into a career as a serial entrepreneur and become an established expert on cybersecurity, counterterrorism, and technology issues. Having been educated in a one-room schoolhouse in the rura...
Episode 35: Kevin Roberts on Leadership, Decision-making, and Focused Action 24.09.2020 55:56
Kevin Roberts has had an illustrious career spanning many industries over numerous continents including serving as Chairman and CEO of Saatchi & Saatchi, one of the world's leading creative organizations, where he had responsibility for the effectiveness of several of the world's leading advertising budgets including for clients Toyota and Procter & Gamble. Today, his company Red Rose Consulting c...
Episode 34: Gary Harrington on Leadership Lessons from Delta Force to the CIA 18.09.2020 38:50
Gary Harrington had a distinguished career of national service that included over three decades in top tier special operations groups including Delta Force and then transitioning into the CIA. Gary was one of the first to deploy into Afghanistan after 9/11 and was at the tip of the spear in many locations including as a solo operator in high risk venues like Yemen. Today Gary advises private clien...
Episode 33: Michael Kanaan, Author of T-Minus AI Discusses Artificial Intelligence and Global Power 11.09.2020 45:23
Michael Kanaan has helped a wide swath of decision-makers better grasp the nature of AI. He has a knack for expressing complex topics in clear, accurate and succinct ways and many of us in the national security community have already had the pleasure of hearing from him in person or in conferences. His book, T-Minus AI: Humanity's Countdown to Artificial Intelligence and the New Pursuit of Global...
Episode 32: Jim Miller on Managing Policy in an Age of Constant Disruption and Dynamic Threats 03.09.2020 50:46
Jim Miller has worked for four decades on a combination of private and public sector initiatives focused on addressing a wide variety of national security threats. He has held numerous positions within the Department of Defense including serving as Under Secretary of Defense for Policy and has been awarded the DoD's highest civilian award four times. In this OODAcast, we discuss a wide variety of...
Episode 31: Chet Richards on John Boyd and applying OODA principles to the business world 28.08.2020 1:05:00
Chet Richards was a close associate of the late US Air Force Colonel John Boyd. He was there as the concept of the OODA Loop was being developed and constructed the first graphics of the OODA Loop from sketches Boyd drew. Chet is the author of the widely read business book "Certain to Win" which was the first book to describe Boyd's strategy in terms familiar to business leaders and show how the O...
Episode 30: Courtney Bowman, Privacy and Civil Liberties Engineer, Palantir Technologies 19.08.2020 33:54
Courtney Bowman leads Palantir's Privacy and Civil Liberties Engineering Team. In this capacity he works extensively with local, state and international governments and philanthropic partners to develop technology-driven solutions to information sharing needs that respect applicable privacy, security and data integrity requirements. He does so in a way that is informed by experience and well thoug...
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