Tokens Media
No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp
What does it really mean to live a good life—in our politics, our faith, our work, and our relationships? On No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp , we explore the ideas, practices, and public debates that shape human flourishing today. Each week you’ll hear thought-provoking conversations with bestselling authors, philosophers, neuroscientists, psychologists, theologians, artists, and political leaders —people wrestling with the biggest questions of meaning and purpose in our time. Together we ask: How can religion be a force for healing instead of division? What does neuroscience reveal about h...
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Jul 10, 2026
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19: “I’m a Black Feminist: I Think Call Out Culture is Toxic”: Loretta Ross 08.10.2020 41:56
Loretta Ross is a black feminist, a human rights activist, and an advocate for most things for the American political left. But in a recent New York Times opinion piece, she argues that American culture is sick with calling out, cancelling, and virtue signaling. Co-host Lauren White joins Lee Camp for a provocative conversation sure to be simultaneously celebrated and criticized by both right and...
18: What Hath Christianity to do with Psychology? Mark McMinn 01.10.2020 49:40
Mark McMinn, Professor of Psychology discusses the presumed antagonism between Christianity and psychology; the recent new research findings which posit a much larger ground of overlap; The surprising consensus between new findings in psychology and traditional Christian virtue theory; one of the common denominators in cases of psychosis and depression; and Lee discusses some of his own experience...
17: “I Don’t Know if I Should Say It, but, well…”: Charlie Strobel 24.09.2020 56:01
Charlie Strobel is a sort of elder-statesman in Nashville, a Catholic priest, and founder of Room in the Inn. In a moving conversation with Charlie about some of his most important life moments, Lee and Charlie discuss loneliness and solitude; therapy and the opening of the self; receiving hospitality from the homeless as a boy; and the murder of Charlie’s mother. Charlie shares things regarding w...
16: Most Outstanding Season Wrap: Lee C. Camp 13.08.2020 33:35
Host Lee C. Camp in a recap of season one, wandering hither and yon through the archives: on the burning of the world; the apparent irrelevance of poetry, song, and story; the importance of shutting up and listening; on the refusal to practice “othering”; and the deep need for humility as a social virtue. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit...
15: I Am Not Your Enemy: Michael T. McRay 06.08.2020 1:01:15
Author and story practitioner travels to some of the globe’s most contentious socio-political locales. He’s convinced you cannot argue people into a new way of seeing the world, you can only story them into new ways of thinking. In this compelling episode, we hear some of the troubling and violent, yet nonetheless hopeful, stories he’s learned. And we reflect upon personal practices of peace-makin...
14: “Does This Make My Butt Look Big?”: Ashley Cleveland 30.07.2020 1:02:24
Grammy and Dove Award winner Ashley Cleveland holds back little, and discusses major life lessons: from her adolescent “bad habit of behaving badly” through the storm of subsequent consequences and recovery; plus a conversation about the south and race, a horrifying murder, and Anne Lamott’s wisdom about what we do, and do not, have time for. Links: Master Course with Miroslav Volf See omnystudio...
13: A Theology of Joy: Miroslav Volf 23.07.2020 35:07
No theology of grumpiness here: Miroslav Volf (Professor of Theology, and Director of the Center for Faith and Culture at Yale University) sketches some initial direction for a Theology of Joy. Volf himself having suffered under a communist regime, and his father have imprisoned in a forced labor camp, he provides compelling possibilities for joy in some of the most difficult of circumstances. AND...
12: Recovery, the Enneagram, and Being Human: Ian Cron 16.07.2020 56:21
Ian Cron, host of the Typology podcast and author of The Road Back to You, discusses finding himself and helping others find themselves, through the gifts of both recovery and the Enneagram. Facing resentments, as well as one’s shadow side, turn out to be key practices in becoming more truly human. LINKS: Ian’s Podcast, Typology Tokens Online Courses Tokens 2020 Subscriptions See omnystudio.com/l...
11: Feminism Crash Course: Lauren Smelser White 09.07.2020 59:17
What do you get when a woman from north Alabama, raised conservative in most every way, goes to a private Christian college, earns her master’s degree in literature from another Christian college, and then earns a PhD in theology from Divinity School? A Christian feminist, of course. Get a crash course on feminism, and learn why and how Christianity made Lauren Smelser White a feminist. LINKS: Jo...
10: Jewish, Yankee Feminist, New Testament Professor: Amy-Jill Levine 02.07.2020 33:32
Jewish Vanderbilt Divinity school Professor of New Testament AJ Levine, self-described as a Yankee Feminist, joins Tokens to talk about two of her books; but more, how she once wanted to be the pope, what she does not like about liberal Christians, and a marvelous telling of the parable of the Good Samaritan. LINKS: Amy-Jill's books: The Misunderstood Jew: The Church and the Scandal of the Jewish...
9: Dirty Cop, False Arrest, and Unexpected Consequences 25.06.2020 29:47
Andrew Collins, a white, dirty cop, falsifies his testimony. A black innocent man, Jameel McGee, gets sentenced to ten years in the Federal Pen. This is the story of the unanticipated consequences of a false-arrest gone bad, and then gone bad again. LINKS: Convicted: An Innocent Man, the Cop Who Framed Him, and an Unlikely Journey of Forgiveness and Friendship Tokens 2020 Subscriptions See omnystu...
8: Dorothy Day: Traditional, Radical, Christian 18.06.2020 1:02:55
In the only instance of a papal address to a joint session of Congress, Pope Francis heralded Dorothy Day as one of four Americans worthy of great emulation. Host Lee C. Camp interviews Martin Doblmeier on his new film about Dorothy Day, along with his work on two other American theologians and activists Reinhold Niebuhr and Howard Thurman. EPISODE LINKS: Pope Francis Address Dorothy Day Film Howa...
7: The Road to Character: David Brooks 11.06.2020 33:22
New York Times columnist David Brooks reflects upon the major themes from his book The Road to Character, including the possibility of grace awakening the desire to live a better life, making commitments, mothers, and Saint Augustine. Lauren White joins Lee Camp for a first co-hosting stint. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/a...
6: Hospitality Wanted, Given, and Given When not Wanted: Leslie Garcia, Brian McLaren, and Odessa Settles 04.06.2020 32:41
Three very different accounts of hospitality: one entails sneaking across the border in the back of a pick-up truck. Another entails seeking out a Muslim imam to say some things after September 11. And a third entails a radical subversion of southern racism through the exercise of both medical expertise, and kindness. Our episode on hospitality comprises an interview with author Brian McLaren, a...
5: Faith, Science, Humility: Rachel Held Evans, Francis Collins, and Ed Larson 28.05.2020 48:55
The supposed conflict between faith and science, as typified in the debate between fundamentalist Christianity and the theory of evolution, turns out to be hiding some skeletons in its closet. This episode explores some crucial unknowns, and breaks down some false dichotomies, in conversations on site of the famed Scopes Trial in Dayton, Tennessee with Pulitzer prize-winning author Ed Larson and c...
4: String quartet arrangement of Marie Howe's poem, "Part of Eve's Discussion"-BONUS 26.05.2020 11:37
A follow-up to episode three with a special performance of Marie Howe's poem, "Part of Eve's Discussion" set to music by composer Stephen Lamb. Vocalist is Cindy Morgan, Alicia Enstrom and Katelyn Westergard on Violin, Kristin Wilkinson on Viola, Nicholas Gold on Cello. More about the Tokens Podcast at tokensshow.com/podcast See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about you...
3: Poetry as Politics: Poet Laureates Tracy K. Smith and Marie Howe 21.05.2020 41:31
A strange conversion experience has happened to religion here in the Bible belt: once known as a key to social transformation, these days it’s more likely the mechanism of socio-political conservatism. So perhaps one of the key questions to living life well in our contemporary world is how to get troubled. Poetry, anyone? The unlikely possibility that poetry could do anything of the sort is explor...
2: Humility and the Art of Politics: Bill Haslam 21.05.2020 56:58
Host Lee C. Camp invents a phrase: the “sunk-suffering fallacy.” Borrowing from the economists’ sunk-cost fallacy, the sunk-suffering fallacy provides a potential explanation for why some Christians tend to be so horribly partisan. Is there any way out of such a mess? Lee wonders about such questions in his interview with former Tennessee governor Bill Haslam. Haslam reveals an almost jarring key...
1: Murder, Race and Faith: Jerry Mitchell 21.05.2020 1:01:48
Host Lee C. Camp interviews the MacArthur Genius Grant recipient Jerry Mitchell on his new book Race Against Time: A Reporter Reopens the Unsolved Murder Cases of the Civil Rights Era. The conversation discusses Jerry’s anger, his quest for justice, and the manner in which Jerry’s faith drove that quest, contributing to convictions in 24 of those cold Civil Rights era murder cases. LINKS: - Websi...
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