Murray Robinson & Shane Gibson
No Nonsense Agile Leadership
This is No-Nonsense Agile Leadership, where we explore better ways to develop digital products and services. Join world-class experts for honest insights and practical advice to help you lead digital teams, products, and organisations clearly and confidently. Subscribe now to learn the best ideas in the field.
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Murray Robinson & Shane Gibson
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Jun 10, 2026
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Episodes
#024 - Alex Stokes - Organisation transformation 03.02.2022 33:12
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation with Alex Stokes on Agile Transformation. Why do organisations do agile transformations? If agile transformations are working why is the state of agile so poor in large organisations? Is a waterfall transformation process incompatible with agile? Measuring the benefits of a transformation. Transformations are a way to get leadership support f...
#023 - SAFe and Scaling with Al Shalloway 28.01.2022 38:29
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation with Al Shalloway about the Scaled Agile Framework (SAFe) and scaling. We explore the benefits and shortcomings of SAFE, focusing on value streams, batch and flow systems, lean principles, and the importance of short feedback cycles. We critique the traditional command-and-control approach and emphasize customer value, lean methodologies, a...
#022 - Fredrik Carleson - SAFe from the Business Owners point of view 21.01.2022 38:23
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation with Fredrick Carleson, who has successfully managed a 1500 person SAFe program in a Swedish government department. We explore the challenges of Safe and it's alignment with Agile values so you can decide if SAFe is right for you. In this discussion, Frederick emphasises the importance of agile leadership, autonomous customer focused teams an...
#0021- 3 amigos 13.01.2022 23:50
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a discussion of the Three Amigos pattern, where a product person, a developer, and a tester work ahead of the team to define features before estimation. We explore the benefits, challenges, and anti-patterns of the three Amigos approach, emphasising the importance of early preparation, collaboration and testable requirements. Listen to the podcast on your...
#0020 - Scott Ambler - disciplined agile toolkit 06.01.2022 27:53
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation with Scott Ambler about the Disciplined Agile Toolkit. In this episode we discuss toolkits vs frameworks. Tailoring your ways of working for your situation vs prescriptive methods. Method prisons and framework jails. The problem with two day mastery certifications and the over commercialisation of Scrum and SAFe. The PMI and Agile and Product...
#0019 - agile ux design with Jared Spool 22.12.2021 28:59
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation with Jared Spool about user experience design. We discuss the importance of research in understanding users' problems so that you can develop solutions that provide a great user experience. We talk about the need to do some lightweight research and planning upfront to build a shared vision and the value of doing most of your research and desi...
#0018 - The joy of agility with Joshua Kerievsky 08.12.2021 25:20
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation with Joshua Kerievsky about his new book “Joy of Agility”. In this podcast we talk about the poor state of agile today. Commodification, fake agile, dark scrum and water-scrum-fall. Real agility should be a joy to work in. Agility doesn't mean process frameworks, it means moving with quick, easy grace and being quick, resourceful, and adaptab...
#0017 - DevOps with Mirco Hering 03.12.2021 30:36
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation with Mirco Hering where we dive into the world of DevOps. Join us as Mirco shares his insights on the essence of DevOps and its implementation challenges, from redefining DevOps beyond tools to the importance of feedback loops. Mirko sheds light on the goals and misconceptions surrounding DevOps. Discover how DevOps aligns with agile princip...
#016 - Sam McAfee - digital product development 23.11.2021 35:10
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation with Sam McAfee about leading digital product development. Building a great product team. Working remotely. Real agile vs fake agile. Factory model vs product model. Empowering teams. Building influence and trust. Bringing marketing, design and engineering into one cross functional product team. From functional silos to capability building. P...
#0015 - Agile Military ideas with Ben Ford 16.11.2021 37:11
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation with former Royal Marine Commando Ben Ford about how agile practices mirror modern military practices in the field. We discuss John Boyd's OODA loop and the value of an accurate model of one's environment for good decision making. And we discuss mission command and the value of leadership training to develop an effective approach for orders,...
#0014 - Agile Product Development 11.11.2021 35:30
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation about Agile product development. discuss what a product is and what a product manager does. We talk about the value of customer feedback and the need to test your hypotheses. We define minimum viable products and discuss technical debt, scaling and co-designing products with customers. And we talk about how you can move from a project to a...
#0013 - Visualizing your workflow with Mark Jørgensen Chaudhry 02.11.2021 24:34
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation with Mark Jørgensen Chaudhry about visualising your work so you can identify bottlenecks and remove them. We emphasize the need to work together to map out your process and identify delays and waste. We discuss work in progress, touch time, wait time and process efficiency. And we identify the root cause of waste and inefficiency in large or...
#0012 - Matrix team models aka the "spotify model" 26.10.2021 22:39
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation on the "Spotify Model" for scaling agile teams. We cover the role of leadership team structures. Tribe dynamics and the importance of coaching and support during organisational change. We share our experience with implementing this model in organisations and some of the anti-patterns. Join us to learn how to use the Spotify model to scale yo...
#0011 - Lean agile transformations with Matt Turner 19.10.2021 27:07
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation about the psychology of change in lean agile transformation with Matt Turner. We discuss how to implement agile and Kanban practices in IT operations, the challenges faced by managers, and the importance of visualising work and understanding flow. We also touch upon the misconceptions and misapplications of agile in the industry. Join us to...
#0010 - Quality skills vs roles 12.10.2021 37:00
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson as they discuss why quality as a whole team's responsibility. We discuss why it's critical to integrate QA processes from the beginning, the importance of clear acceptance criteria, how to handle technical debt and the continuous improvement process. Tune in for an engaging and informative discussion on quality in your agile projects. Listen to the podcast o...
#0009 - invitational agile with Michael Delamaza 05.10.2021 47:11
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation with Michael Delemaza about agile coaching. We discuss invitational coaching, the differences between coaching and mentoring and the challenges faced in transforming traditional organizations into agile ones. We also talk about the importance of clear communication and alignment at the executive level, as well as dealing with politics and r...
#0008 - Leadership support for becoming an agile organisation 29.09.2021 30:24
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a no-nonsense Agile discussion. In this episode, we talk about leadership support for agile ways of working. Why leadership support is critical for change. Why some leaders support agility and others secretly undermine it. How agile is being sold as a miracle cure by big consulting companies. And why agile is rolled back by authoritarian leaders with a fact...
#0007 - fixed price agile contracts 21.09.2021 40:06
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a no-nonsense Agile discussion. In this podcast, Murray and Shane talk about why projects with fixed price, fixed scope contracts often go way over time and budget. We talk about uncertainty, sales incentives and underestimating. How fixed scope contracts lead to big design up front, siloed delivery, authoritarian management and conflict with suppliers. We...
#0006 - agile scaling 07.09.2021 40:01
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a no-nonsense agile discussion. In this podcast, Murray and Shane discuss how to scale agile. We discuss the problems with a big bang top-down agile transformation and the benefits of starting small and experimenting to find a scaling approach that works for you. We talk about the factory model of organisation vs autonomous product teams. And we contrast ag...
#0005 - Agile project management 24.08.2021 33:24
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a no-nonsense agile discussion. In this episode Murray and Shane have a robust discussion about about projects and project managers. Are agile and project management fundamentally incompatible. Are projects waterfall and hierarchical by definition or can they be done in an Agile way. Are project managers unhelpful authoritarians controllers by definition or...
#0004 - Evolutionary design & architecture 18.08.2021 33:36
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a no-nonsense agile discussion. In this podcast, we talk about evolutionary design and the problem with a narrow focus, planning at different time horizons, big blocks and small blocks and the importance of having flexible roadmaps that change as we learn. We also talk about centralised teams vs experts in teams, how the role of the coach is to build the te...
#0003 - is scrum broken 10.08.2021 29:42
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a no-nonsense agile discussion. In this podcast, we discuss Ron Jeffries' recent article “Can scrum be fixed?” We talk about Ron’s concerns with the Scrum Industrial complex and Developers issues with Scrum. We talk about what we like and don't like about Scrum and how the gaps we've experienced can be overcome. Listen to the podcast on your favourite podca...
#0002 - Just enough planning, just in time 04.08.2021 39:03
In this episode, we talk about planning initiatives. How do you do just enough planning, just in time? We'll discuss the team you need to plan your features, user experience and technical architecture. And we talk about how to develop a release plan and estimate time and cost in a two to four week time box. Listen to the podcast on your favourite podcast app: | Spotify | Apple Podcasts |...
#0001 - What is this podcast about? 15.07.2021 22:43
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson as we introduce ourselves and discuss our backgrounds in leading the development of valuable software products and services. We emphasize the podcast's focus on leadership, product and service development and modern ways of working. We discuss the value of continuous discovery, delivery and improvement to develop products and services that are viable, desira...
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