John Ellis and Joe Klein

Night Owls

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Joe Klein and John Ellis on what's happening and what happens next. Joe Klein is the author of seven books and "Sanity Clause," a Substack newsletter. John Ellis is the founder and editor of two Substack newsletters — News Items and Political News Items. The two friends have covered American politics for a combined 95 years.

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John Ellis and Joe Klein

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Latest episode

Jun 3, 2026

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Episodes

Episode 26 11.06.2024

John and Joe discuss the concern of Joe Biden's age. Plus, they talk about Biden's investigation of monopolistic tech companies; new demographic data that suggests too many boys are sitting at their parents' houses; and the results of the Mexican election.

Episode 25 (with Daniel Finkelstein) 03.06.2024

Joe Klein chats with an old friend, member of the House of Lords Daniel Finkelstein, about the complicated legacy of Brexit, the state of populism, and his new book Two Roads Home.

Episode 24 (with epidemiologist Katelyn Jetelina) 29.05.2024

Q. What do you do when you need a public health weather report? A. You talk to Katelyn Jetelina. That's what we did and this podcast is the result. 

Episode 23 (with Cade Metz) 20.05.2024

Our interview with New York Times tech correspondant Cade Metz, author of 'Genius Makers: The Mavericks Who Brought AI to Google, Facebook, and the World.' We talk all things AI. 

Episode 22 13.05.2024

Joe praises Tom Friedman and ponders RFK Jr. John is all worked up about 7 EV chargers. Biology is being transformed by Google DeepMind. And more.

Episode 21 05.05.2024

There is only one Jim Cramer. We talked to him about everything. 

Episode 20 28.04.2024

Joe and John talk to veteran Democratic Party campaign manager Joe Trippi about why Trump might lose and what Biden has to do to beat him. 

Episode 19 21.04.2024

Joe and John talk to Mark Tercek about the changing climate and the challenges it presents. Mark is well-qualified to discuss the "issue," having served as CEO of the Nature Conservancy for over a decade. It's a very informative discussion, entirely due to Mark's encyclopedic knowledge of the subject matter. Listen and learn. You'll learn a lot. 

Episode 18 14.04.2024

John and Joe consider the Arizona Supreme Court decision on abortion. Joe unpacks five potential threats to President Biden this fall. Plus, a discussion of NPR's integrity in light of a bombshell essay about its inherent bias.

Episode 17 08.04.2024

Joe and John interview Jane Perlez, former New York Times Beijing bureau chief, about her upcoming 8-part podcast series: " Face-Off, The U.S. vs. China ." Once friends, now foes, the question is: what happens next? 

Episode 16 (Part 2) 01.04.2024

Part Two of a two-part interview with Nicole Perlroth, author of "This is How They Tell Me The World Ends: The Cyber-Weapons Arms Race." It's the future coming at you. 

Episode 16 (Part 1) 01.04.2024

Part One of a two-part interview with Nicole Perlroth, author of "This is How They Tell Me The World Ends: The Cyber-Weapons Arms Race." It's the future coming at you.

Episode 15 24.03.2024

Trump's mighty cash crunch, Larry Summers' persuasive  inflation research, Carville and Hunt's  Politics War Room and the future coming at you: a $10,000 BYD EV from China called "Seagull." All that and more from an undisclosed location in Key West, Florida. 

Episode 14 17.03.2024

Chuck Schumer puts Bibi on the clock. Systems of weapons, not weapon systems. GM is watching you drive, all the time, and selling your data to auto insurers. This and more in Episode 14 of 'Night Owls.'

Episode 13 10.03.2024

A busy week in American politics….Super Tuesday, the Supreme Court, the State of the Union and….. perplexity.ai .

Episode 12 02.03.2024

A lengthy interview with Steve Coll, author of the just-released " The Achilles Trap:   Saddam Hussein, the C.I.A., and the Origins of America's Invasion of Iraq ". Mr. Coll is the David Halberstam of his generation. You'll understand why we say that after you listen to this episode. 

Episode 11 25.02.2024

A walk around the news neighborhood. Joe surveys a political culture going off the rails.  John bangs on about deep fakes and the possibility of a "hacked" election. More important:  the pace of scientific discovery accelerates, advancing hope around the world.

Episode 10 19.02.2024

Joe Klein talks to Elaine Ciulla and William Galston, co-authors of the seminal paper  The Politics of Evasion: Democrats and the Presidency , about immigration, Trump, the challenges facing the Democratic Party and more.

Episode 9 09.02.2024

Joe thinks Trump may have peaked. John thinks Trump has a ceiling. We taped on Wednesday, so the Biden age issue will have to wait.  

Episode 8 03.02.2024

John and Joe discuss ongoing conflicts in the Middle East. John unspools a brief history of American far-right extremism. Joe considers the political power of Taylor Swift.

Episode 7 26.01.2024

Joe and John ruminate on New Hampshire, Nikki Haley, deep fakes, cyberhacking and Mark Zuckerberg in the latest episode of 'Night Owls'. 

Episode 6 17.01.2024

Joe and John discuss the Iowa results. Joe is unnerved by some of the exit poll results. John expects DeSantis to endorse Trump before South Carolina. If the exit poll data are accurate, Haley has no chance of winning the GOP nomination.

Episode 5 13.01.2024

Joe and John talk Iowa and New Hampshire, Bobby Kennedy and Donald Trump, Barack Obama and Joe Biden, immigration and Ecuador, Tiger Woods and Nike. Mostly.

Episode 4 06.01.2024

John and Joe discusses Trump's chances ahead of the Iowa caucuses and his appeal of a Colorado Supreme Court decision barring him from the state's ballot. John offers an idea for the new president of Harvard. 

Episode 3 30.12.2023

A Look Back, A Look Ahead. Joe thinks 2024 most closely resembles 1924, when the Democratic National Convention needed 103 ballots to arrive at a presidential nominee. John thinks a third party is being born and that Bob Gates would make No Labels more than a wild card in the 2024 election.   

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