Center for Justice Innovation
New Thinking, from the Center for Justice Innovation
New Thinking is a podcast about justice—and injustice—in America. It’s about the people working to fix a justice system that falls so short of our ideals, and the people organizing to build something new in its place. It’s hosted by Matt Watkins and produced by the Center for Justice Innovation (formerly Center for Court Innovation).
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Jul 8, 2026
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Episodes
Putting the Public in Public Defending: Standing Up for a Profession in Crisis 23.05.2018
On our 'New Thinking' podcast, Nashville's top public defender Dawn Deaner explains why she thinks public defending has been "set up to fail" and how working to engage the community—both those who need public defenders and those who never will—is a lifeline for a profession in crisis.
Prosecutor Power #2: A Public Defender on the Urgency of Reform 04.05.2018
As part of our podcast series on prosecutor power, Scott Hechinger of Brooklyn Defender Services offers a view from the other side of the adversarial process, discussing prosecutors' impact at key decision-points in his clients' cases and weighing the prospects for reform in a time of increasing scrutiny of prosecutorial discretion.
Violence, Trauma, and Healing in Crown Heights, Brooklyn 19.04.2018
On our New Thinking podcast, an audio portrait of Make It Happen, our program working with young men of color in Crown Heights, Brooklyn affected by violence. Through interviews with participants and practitioners, the episode explores the intersections of trauma, involvement with the justice system, and the lived experience of race.
Prosecutor Power #1: John Pfaff on Mass Incarceration 27.03.2018
On 'New Thinking,' author John Pfaff outlines his argument for how prosecutors have contributed to mass incarceration and considers how much can be expected from the emerging breed of progressive D.A.'s. This is the first in our podcast series on the power of prosecutors.
Kansas City Domestic Violence Court: Assessing Risk, Addressing Needs 20.03.2018
In this New Thinking podcast, Judge Courtney Wachal and Megan Sartin, the offender accountability coordinator, explain the operations of the Kansas City Domestic Violence Court, an Office on Violence Against Women designated mentor court.
Reducing Incarceration Now: A Conversation About ‘Start Here’ 07.03.2018
On our 'New Thinking' podcast, hear from Greg Berman and Julian Adler, the co-authors of our book from the New Press, Start Here: A Road Map to Reducing Mass Incarceration.
Renewing Justice: When the Library Becomes a Community Court 21.02.2018
Since 2016, the community court in Eugene, Oregon, has met every week in the downtown library. It's part of an effort getting a lot of attention on the West Coast to bring problem-solving justice to friendlier settings. On our 'New Thinking' podcast, hear about Eugene's success with the new model.
Project SAFE: Improving Services for Criminalized Black Women 10.01.2018
On our 'New Thinking' podcast, Afua Addo, our coordinator of Gender and Justice Initiatives, explains our project aiding justice-involved black women who are survivors of intimate partner violence and sexual assault.
Designing Decarceration: Architect Deanna Van Buren 17.10.2017
On our New Thinking podcast, the Oakland-based architect explains her firm’s mission to use design to counter incarceration and promote the use of restorative justice. She also discusses her work on our Near Westside Peacemaking Center in Syracuse, N.Y.
Improving Access to Civil Justice: A Conversation with Jordan Dressler 15.08.2017
Jordan Dressler, the director of the recently created New York City Office of Civil Justice, discusses Mayor Bill de Blasio's ambitious five-year plan to provide free or low-cost legal assistance to every low-income New Yorker facing eviction, deportation, or other potentially life-altering civil proceedings. The interview focuses in detail on the benefits this guarantee is expected to have on ten...
Using Volunteers to Evaluate the Courtroom Experience: A Conversation about CourtWatch of King County, Wash. 15.06.2017
Court observation programs around the country send volunteers into courts to observe, collect data, and sometimes issue reports about what they've seen. Their goals include keeping courts accountable to the public and improving transparency, but not all courts are eager to receive public feedback. CourtWatch of King County, Washington, has worked closely with its local courts since the program's f...
The End of Rikers? Courtney Bryan on the Call to Close the Rikers Island Jails 21.04.2017 21:31
Rikers Island is “a stain on our great city” and should be closed. That’s the headline-grabbing conclusion of the Independent Commission on New York City Criminal Justice and Incarceration Reform. Matt Watkins speaks to the Center for Court Innovation’s Courtney Bryan to learn more about the Center’s role in researching and producing the commission’s report , and the steps needed...
Reducing New York City’s Jail Population 23.03.2017 20:02
New York City’s incarceration rates have been dropping steadily, but a new report from the Center for Court Innovation, in collaboration with the Vera Institute of Justice, suggests the city’s jail population can still be brought significantly lower. The report looks in detail at key decision-points along the path from arrest through bail to sentencing and makes concrete suggestions for how...
Problem-Solving in L.A.: Multiple Issues, One Collaborative Court 16.01.2017 16:34
In this New Thinking podcast, Judge Marcelita Haynes of the Los Angeles Superior Court talks with Matt Watkins about Community Collaborative Courts, the county’s new approach to problem-solving justice. Judge Haynes says the courts look for long-term solutions to a range of problems—from mental health issues to homelessness—that can fuel repeated contact with the criminal legal system.
Seeking Evidence: A Professor Looks for Empirical Proof to Improve Access to Justice 16.12.2016
In this New Thinking podcast, Harvard Law School Professor James Greiner talks with Aubrey Fox about why he launched the Access to Justice Lab, which has researched topics as varied as how to provide self-help materials to defendants involved in civil debt collection cases to the effectiveness of commonly used pretrial assessment interview tools in criminal court. Greiner also discusses what he se...
How Can Lawyers Help Address Poverty and Eviction? A Conversation with Law Professor Raymond Brescia 13.12.2016
In this New Thinking podcast, Raymond H. Brescia, associate professor of Law at Albany Law School, speaks with Aubrey Fox and Robert V. Wolf of the Center for Court Innovation about the role lawyers can play in addressing poverty and eviction, why New York City has been dramatically expanding funding to provide lawyers to respondents in Housing Court, debt collection cases as the next great issue...
Houston’s SAFE Court Offers Victims of Human Trafficking a New Path 09.11.2016
In this New Thinking podcast, Ann Johnson, an assistant district attorney and the human trafficking section chief with the Harris County District Attorney's Office, discusses her office's strategies for combating human trafficking, including increased enforcement against traffickers and buyers, and diversion from prosecution for victims. One of the office's diversion programs, SAFE Court, gives th...
Taking a Collaborative Approach to Addressing Racial and Ethnic Disparities in the Justice System 25.10.2016
Tshaka Barrows , deputy director of the Burns Institute, discusses his organization's collaborative and community-centered approach to addressing and eliminating racial and ethnic disparities in the justice system. Barrows spoke with Robert V. Wolf, director of communications at the Center for Court Innovation, after participating in a panel on Race and Procedural Justice at Justice Innovations in...
The Potential for Bias in Risk-Assessment Tools: A Conversation 19.10.2016
In this New Thinking podcast, Reuben J. Miller, assistant professor of social work at the University of Michigan, and his research collaborator Hazelette Crosby-Robinson discuss some of the criticisms that have been leveled against risk assessment tools. Those criticisms include placing too much emphasis on geography and criminal history, which can distort the actual risk for clients from neighbor...
Fairness, Procedural Justice, and Domestic Violence: A Conversation with Judge Jeffrey Kremers 30.08.2016
In this New Thinking podcast, Judge Jeffrey Kremers of the Milwaukee County Circuit Court brings procedural justice to bear on domestic violence. Sharing his insights from the bench, Judge Kremers talks about the importance of procedural justice for both defendants and survivors as well as their families, and discusses strategies for addressing the unique challenges posed by domestic violence case...
Foundations Can Support Justice Reform, If You Know How to Ask: A Conversation with James Lewis 19.08.2016
Private foundations are an overlooked resource for innovative justice programs. James H. Lewis, senior program officer and director of research and evaluation at the Chicago Community Trust , offers insight into how foundations make funding decisions and shares tips for attracting foundation investments in justice programs. The interview was conducted by the Center for Court Innovation's Director...
Strengthening Ties Between Police and the Community: A Conversation about Restorative Justice in Madison, Wisconsin 09.08.2016
Joe Balles, who recently retired as a captain after a 30-year career with the Madison (Wisconsin) Police Department, discusses restorative justice and police legitimacy with Robert V. Wolf, director of communications at the Center for Court Innovation. A mentee of Herman Goldstein, considered the father of problem-oriented policing, Balles was instrumental in the creation of the Dane County Commun...
A Second Chance Society: A Conversation about Justice Reform in Connecticut 12.07.2016
Mike Lawlor, Connecticut's under secretary for Criminal Justice Policy and Planning, discusses Governor Dannel P. Malloy's Second Chance Society, a series of justice reforms (including dramatic changes to bail and juvenile justice policies) that seek to reduce crime, lower spending on prisons, and help rebuild relationships between criminal justice professionals and the communities they serve. Thi...
‘An Open and Inviting Court’: Judge Joe Perez of the Orange County Community Court Talks Procedural Justice 15.06.2016
Joe Perez, the presiding judge of the Orange County Community Court , discusses how the principles of procedural justice inform both design and process in his courthouse. Perez is a lifelong resident of Orange County whose father was the first Spanish-speaking attorney and judge in the county. The interview with Robert V. Wolf, director of communications at the Center for Court Innovation, took p...
Jails as Psychiatric Facilities: Addressing Mental Illness in the Justice System with Judge Steve Leifman 14.06.2016
Judge Steve Leifman, associate administrative judge of the Miami-Dade County Court Criminal Division and presiding judge of its Criminal Mental Health Project , has worked at the intersection of mental health and the criminal justice system in Miami-Date County for decades. In this podcast, he outlines the challenges of addressing the high occurence of mental illness in Miami's courts and prisons...
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