Dave Morin, Jessica Lessin, Brit Morin, and Sam Lessin
More or Less
Dave Morin, Jessica Lessin, Brit Morin, and Sam Lessin have debated the future of Silicon Valley and tech as the closest of friends for the last 15 years. Now six companies, two venture funds and more than a decade at Google, Apple and Facebook later, they are opening up the debate. From The Information, Offline Ventures, and Slow Ventures. Follow the crew: http://x.com/davemorinhttp://x.com/brithttp://x.com/lessinhttp:/x.com/jessicalessinFollow the pod:https://moreorlesspod.com/http://youtube.com/moreorlesspodhttps://x.com/moreorlesspod
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Dave Morin, Jessica Lessin, Brit Morin, and Sam Lessin
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Jul 10, 2026
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#33: Yes/No, Vision Pro? w/Special Guest Brian Singerman of Founders Fund 09.02.2024 56:19
As the Morin household goes full Vision Pro, the gang reveals what everyone is missing about the device. Plus, the earthquake through digital media and (maybe) the end of AI everything. Takeaways The Apple Vision Pro offers a truly immersive and transformative experience, changing the way users think about computing. The Vision Pro represents a new computing paradigm and has the potential to expan...
#32: Taylor Swift vs. MrBeast w/Casey Neistat and Ricky Van Veen 02.02.2024 1:02:12
In a special episode, the gang sits down with two digital media veterans and stars to discuss the current era of digital fame, the future of YouTube, TikTok, what A.I. means for creators, and more. Takeaways The rise of small creators and the viability of their work is a result of the democratization of content creation and the ability to build communities of fans. The shift from physical space to...
#31: Fintech Struggles, Netflix Rises and 'Big' is Winning 26.01.2024 1:01:53
From Netflix to the NFL, the incumbents are having quite a moment. Plus, crypto's new energy and the gang's fiercely different views on.... peptides. Show Notes 00:00 Introduction and Silicon Valley banter 01:03 Discussion about football and personal influences 03:15 Challenges in the news and startup landscape 06:50 Struggles of fintech companies like Brex 08:11 Success of Netflix and the...
#30: The Great App Store Debate, Layoffs, and Playoffs...Oh My! 19.01.2024 47:52
As regulators move in, the gang discusses the future of Apple and Google's app stores and their role over the next decade. Plus, the new layoff normal and Silicon Valley gets classy. SHOW NOTES 00:00 Opening and Introductions 01:11 Working with Partners 03:14 The Information Gala and Dress Code 03:45 NFL Playoffs and Sports Betting 07:02 Layoffs at YouTube and Privacy Changes 11:29 Apple Allow...
#29: Is the Year of Startup Austerity Over? What Can Save the News Business? 12.01.2024 50:34
In the first pod of 2024, the gang previews the year in VC to come and OpenAI vs. NYT. Plus, layoffs, boomerang VC and Brit's oh-so-Brit resolution.
#28: What We Got Right and Wrong in ’23 and Calls for ’24 22.12.2023 1:08:11
The gang does a retro on their 2023 calls…from AI to Vision Pro (we couldn’t come up with a Z)…and makes predictions for tech, media, and capital in 2024. BOOK RECOMMENDATIONS: The Creative Act, A Way of Being by Rick Rubin The Order of Time by Carlo Rovelli Project Hail Mary by Andy Weir Tomorrow, and Tomorrow, and Tomorrow by Gabrielle Zevin SHOW NOTES: 00:00 Introduction and Holiday Reflections...
#27: Make Number Go Up, and The Problem with Nonprofits 15.12.2023 53:37
The gang discusses the Harvard debacle (and Sam's run for the Board of Overseers), why double-bottom lines are challenging, tech regulation, and more. DISCUSSED: The 19th News SHOW NOTES: [00:00] Opening. [01:10] We have a non-zero hit rate on making things things. [01:50] How did we start the pod? [03:01] The parable of launching a rocket at the moon. [04:23] This week's headlines. [06:28...
#26: Google Gemini, Meet Crypto-Cyber-Crystals 08.12.2023 54:20
The gang discusses the release of Google Gemini...the crypto resurgence, crystals and the Cybertruck. DISCUSSED: Introducing Gemini: our largest and most capable AI model Millions of new materials discovered with deep learning The Top 100 Articles from The Information’s First 10 Years The Organized Mind: Thinking Straight in the Age of Information Overload How to Know a Person: The Art of Seeing O...
#25: TikTok, Porn and The Immediate Risks of AI 02.12.2023 51:44
The gang details thoughts on AGI risk and dives into the more immediate risks of AI, like why TikTok should be banned in the US and what to do about AI porn and deepfakes. Plus, startup product ideas abound as Dave, Sam and Brit debate what the future holds (both good and bad) for couples counseling, social media and entertainment. SHOW NOTES: [00:00:00] Open. [00:04:44] The question is not what A...
Bonus: Erin & Sara Foster of Favorite Daughter on Everything Founders are Afraid to Say 29.11.2023 37:45
DISCUSSED: For this bonus episode of More or Less, last month at The Information's WTF Conference, Jessica interviewed the sisters behind the hot clothing brand Favorite Daughter, the World's First Podcast and Oversubscribed Ventures. They discussed entrepreneurship, building for today's customers and why it is sometimes a good idea to say everything you are thinking. SHOW NOTES: [00:0...
#24: Sam Altman - Religious Cult Leader or CEO? 22.11.2023 1:06:40
This week’s episode takes you front and center into the continuous unfolding of the OpenAI saga, including the different versions of the Sam Altman persona. The quad shares extensive debate on what could come next and why, with key insight into AI as a practical business technology vs. the fears around AGI, and the challenges of a for-profit business funding a non-profit mission. Listen in to lear...
#23: Why (and How) SMBs and Creators Will Win With AI, the New Financing Contracts, and More 17.11.2023 1:02:55
The gang discusses how you build dense networks of real value around small business in the AI future. Also, bonus discussion on content maxis vs. community maxis...and the symmetry of Jessica's face. Try the More or Less GPT: https://chat.openai.com/g/g-Lt0xdU9Jp-more-or-less
#22: Your GPT Will Make More Money Than Your Substack? Please Tell Us More… 10.11.2023 54:47
The gang discusses OpenAI's developer conference and whether the new ‘GPT Store’ is a serious platform developers and entrepreneurs should care about, or just another slick PR announcement. Also thoughts on the IPO market (why bankers keep saying it isn’t open, but will soon) and way too much discussion of The Morning (After) Show.
#21: AI Regulation, War and the Future of the American Tech Stack 03.11.2023 57:06
The gang shares predictions around AI for the year ahead. Are we at digital war and don't even know it? Thoughts on defining an "American Tech Stack" and digital citizenship to defend against foreign speech and bots - and how to think about academia in an era where universities and research are no longer disconnected from politics and business. Discussed Greeking Out from National Ge...
#20: The New Founder Mindset: The End of the Product-Focused CEO 27.10.2023 45:10
Following news at Snap, the gang debates what the media gets wrong about founders and how founders need to react in this new market. Discussed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHsHKzYOV2E&t=779s Show Notes (00:00) Opening (06:05) Evan Spiegel's Persistence and Motivation (11:25) Founders and Product as Powerful Motivating Force (15:39) Challenges of Starting Over from Scratch (19:36) Balanc...
#19: Answering for Misinformation: The New York Times Needs to be Held To Account 20.10.2023 56:50
The Morins and the Lessins debate how to solve misinformation across even legacy media sites. Plus, prepping for VCs' big annual reports to shareholders. Discussed Psilocybin Treatment for Major Depression Effective for Up to a Year for Most Patients, Study Shows Slow evolution of a NYTimes headline. "Israeli Strike" -> "Strike" -> "Blast" After Hospital Bla...
#18: Why This Week Changed Social Media Forever 20.10.2023 40:04
The Morins and Lessins discuss the urgent questions Hamas’ terrorism against Israel raises for tech companies. Plus, how leaders should—and should not—respond to the attacks. Show Notes [0:00] Intro [0:36] Opening Discussion [2:03] It is a very important and troubling time in the world. Sharing some of our thoughts as a group. [2:10] Impossible to not talk about the Israel and Hamas situation. [2:...
#17: How to Save Your Startup, Twitter/X, Threads (and Swift’s Stunt Romance) 20.10.2023 49:31
The couples unpack how to "Survive to 2025" and debate whether Threads had the right launch strategy. Plus, Yaccarino needs media training. Show Notes [00:01:18] Our first ever More or Less event. [00:04:44] Startups shutting down in Q3. [00:07:39] Seed investor and founder cramdown risk. [00:10:38] Not so lifestyle businesses. [00:13:37] Avoid debt at all costs. [00:17:51] Normalizin...
#16: Why Your AI Startup is Probably* Already Dead - Special Guest Scott Belsky 29.09.2023 46:02
Adobe Chief Strategy Officer Scott Belsky joins the Morins and the Lessins as the Fifth Wheel for an episode about all things AI. Plus, inside the FTC’s case for breaking up Amazon. *probably dead, but maybe not Show Notes [00:00:14] Developer experience and ease of use. [00:04:24] Scott Belsky and AI. [00:09:55] Empowering SMBs with AI. [00:12:26] Proprietary data and AI. [00:16:09] Building clou...
#15: Instacart’s Fake IPO and Why Hiring in Tech Is So Broken 22.09.2023 48:33
As the news heats up, the couples discuss why recent IPOs tell us little about whether the window is, in fact, open and ponder the future of leadership in Silicon Valley. Show Notes: [00:00:10] Startup location rules. [00:05:30] Silicon Valley regulation debate. [00:08:18] Younger and hungrier talent. [00:11:30] Generational transfer in big tech. [00:14:10] Florida signaling and tax optimization....
#14: The Apple Episode (Carbon Neutralish) 15.09.2023 53:19
The couples take you up close and personal with this week’s Apple event and discuss the future of the company, hardware and the garbage product they can’t live without. Plus, Brit schools Sam on pop culture, part 10. Show Notes: [00:00:00] New composting trash can? [00:05:23] Apple event changes. [00:08:56] Recycling Cobalt and climate impact. [00:10:46] Apple's first Carbon Neutral Product. [...
#13 : Why There Will Never Be Another 200 Million Subscriber App 08.09.2023 51:50
…but something else will bloom instead. Plus, this is why Europe can't have nice things. And the Cable Cowboy kills cable. Discussed: The Hottest Coach in Sports: Coach Prime How Deel Became Payout Provider for Prop Trading Firms, Including Site Frozen by CFTC John Malone’s Charter Squeezes Disney at Vulnerable Moment Cable Cowboy: John Malone and the Rise of the Modern Cable The Outsiders: Ei...
#12: A VC Therapy Session 01.09.2023 51:39
The Morins and the Lessins break down what is really happening in venture firms right now from liquidating venture stakes to fundraising. Plus, Chinese entrepreneurs’ secret AI confab and Jessica’s notes from Beijing. Discussed: Colin Robinson: The Life of an Energy Vampire - What We Do In The Shadows Chamath Palihapitiya’s Venture Firm Offered to Sell Hundreds of Startup Stakes Chip War: The Figh...
#11: Why hybrid work doesn’t work, long live the phone call 25.08.2023 52:39
Back in the Bay Area, the Morins and the Lessins debate the status of startup work culture and how to fix it. Plus, Nvidia’s blowout earnings and the best More or Less product idea yet. Articles and data discussed: Salesforce Leads Financing of AI Startup at More Than $4 Billion Valuation Can San Francisco Save Itself From the Doom Loop? Show Notes: [0:00:00] Remote work policies and productivity...
#10: You should kill your startup, What replaces globalization 18.08.2023 52:52
As the startup graveyard gets crowded, the Morins and the Lessins talk about when companies should quit and reminisce about failed investments. Plus, a More or Less debate on U.S. China tech policy and evolving views of LLMs. Articles and books discussed: https://www.theinformation.com/articles/storage-startup-clutter-running-out-of-cash-sells-itself-at-steep-discount?rc=hwneun https://www.theinfo...
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