Dave Morin, Jessica Lessin, Brit Morin, and Sam Lessin

More or Less

Dave Morin, Jessica Lessin, Brit Morin, and Sam Lessin have debated the future of Silicon Valley and tech as the closest of friends for the last 15 years. Now six companies, two venture funds and more than a decade at Google, Apple and Facebook later, they are opening up the debate. From The Information, Offline Ventures, and Slow Ventures. Follow the crew: http://x.com/davemorinhttp://x.com/brithttp://x.com/lessinhttp:/x.com/jessicalessinFollow the pod:https://moreorlesspod.com/http://youtube.com/moreorlesspodhttps://x.com/moreorlesspod

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Dave Morin, Jessica Lessin, Brit Morin, and Sam Lessin

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Technology

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Latest episode

Jul 10, 2026

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Episodes

#83: Trump Inauguration, Stargate, and the Meme Economy 24.01.2025

Stargate—a $500 billion AI venture straight from Trump 2.0's White House—has all the drama of a sci-fi blockbuster. But instead of aliens (like in the movie from 30 years ago), we’ve got Elon Musk, Satya Nadella, and Sam Altman trading shots. “SoftBank doesn’t have the money,” Elon posted on X, while Microsoft’s Nadella shot back, “I’m good for my $80 billion.” Meanwhile, Altman’s keeping things s...

#82: TikTok, Trade Wars & Tech 2.0 17.01.2025

On this week’s episode of More or Less, Meta kills DEI and fact-checking (right after their $27B moderation exit), Zuck's talking "masculine energy" on Rogan, and TikTok's facing a ban while DJI mysteriously drops US flight restrictions. It's not even February. We also share opinions on: • why tech's gender gap persists (18% of CS grads are women) • whether Elon's X c...

#81: Meta's Community Notes: More Speech and Fewer Mistakes? 10.01.2025

Meta is ditching fact-checkers, Nvidia hitting $3T, and everyone is building robots for some reason. Episode # 81 of More or Less kicks off 2025 by asking: • How much of Zuck's community notes pivot is political theater? • Can NVIDIA actually pull off this "mega omniverse" industrial AI play? • Will companies thrive as the great tech exodus accelerates? Plus: Sam explains why centralized moderatio...

#80: The More or Less Holiday Special Pt. 2 (Crypto and Antitrust) 04.01.2025

Time for Part 2 of our More or Less highlights special! We've curated some clips to check off our tech bingo card for 2024. This past year gave us Trump swapping press rooms for podcasts, the DOJ taking swings at Big Tech, BlackRock's Bitcoin ETF hitting record highs ($50B AUM) and—because why not—a government department named after DOGE, a not so subtle nod to Trump's pro-crypto stance. What's in...

#79: The More or Less Holiday Special Pt. 1 (AI Highlights) 27.12.2024

Welcome to Part 1 of the More or Less highlights special! We’re taking a look back at an action-packed year in AI, from groundbreaking developments to game-changing predictions about the future. Don’t miss this collection of standout moments and stay tuned for Part 2! We’re also on ↓ X: ⁠ https://twitter.com/moreorlesspod⁠ Instagram: ⁠ https://instagram.com/moreorless⁠ Spotify: ⁠https://podcasters...

#78: 2024 Tech Company of the Year + 2025 Predictions 20.12.2024

In this episode, the Morins & Lessins dive into the highs and lows of 2024 to uncover who came out on top. Google made a strong showing, but are they well-positioned for the long haul? Waymo keeps moving the needle with self-driving cars and big moves in AI, making it a strong contender for years to come. Apple? They’ve been a bit slow to innovate this year, but don’t count them out just yet....

#77: Sora Reveal, Google's AI Agents and Digital Trade Under Trump 13.12.2024

How will OpenAI's latest video technology affect the creator ecosystem? Could this new tech pave the way for a new type of entertainment? Also in this episode ↓ - Does Google have a lead in the AI race? - Should digital trade play a larger role in policy discussions? - The End of the Eras Tour and Sam's Pink Pilates Princess Strut Pop Season We’re also on ↓ X: https://twitter.com/moreorlesspod Ins...

#76: In a World with 99.99% Accurate AI… (feat. Aaron Levie) 06.12.2024

What’s it like being the CEO of Box and a full-time internet meme lord? Well… ask Aaron Levie. In this episode, he joins Jess, Dave, and Sam to answer: • what it’s like being a “toxic Bitcoin maxi” as the price soars past $100k • more or less M&A for MAANG • how far we are from AGI We’re also on ↓ X: https://twitter.com/moreorlesspod Instagram: https://instagram.com/moreorless Spotify: https:/...

#75: The Rise of the Tech Bro 29.11.2024

The artist vs. tech bros—classic tension or chaos ahead? In EP 75, Brit, Dave, and Jess are joined by Matt Vascellaro as they dive into: • Sora's leak and the fiery backlash from Hollywood • The uneasy marriage of AI and art, and why the "right" UI still feels like chasing rainbows • And, of course, the rise (and roast) of the Bay Area tech bro We’re also on ↓ X:  https://twitter.com/moreorlesspod...

#74: Winding Down From a $400M Fundraise, or How to Move Forward After Forward (with Adrian Aoun) 22.11.2024

Meet Adrian Aoun —an OG listener and one of Alphabet’s best-kept secrets. He recently wound down Forward, his company that set out to reinvent the doctor’s office with AI. He joins Brit , Dave , and Jess in this episode to explore the exit, Adrian’s hardware + software play with CarePods, and what it means to create a generational company for healthcare. Also on the agenda: • is primary care ventu...

#73: Elon to Lead DOGE, Bitcoin Surges & the Trump Alliance 15.11.2024

With Musk’s bio now updated to read, “The people voted for major government reform,” it’s clear he’s not just dabbling in policy. In this episode, the Morins and Lessins break down what it means for democracy when a “super VC” like Musk mingles tech interests with government influence. Also on the docket: - will Bitcoin surge to $100K? - monetization for LLMs, and - the new wave of Silicon Valley...

#72: Trump's Influencer Strategy Pays Off and the Future of App Building (with Guillermo Rauch!) 08.11.2024

Are incumbent media networks losing ground? Kamala stuck to broadcast media, while Trump bypassed traditional filters and reached audiences as an influencer, taking his message to Rogan and Fridman. Among concerns over echo chambers and AI-controlled narratives, there’s a flip side—more people now have a platform, giving everyone a voice. Guillermo Rauch of Vercel says “everyone needs to be empowe...

#71: Big Tech Earnings and the AI Revolution 01.11.2024

In this episode, the crew dives into why no self-respecting Silicon Valley developer is ditching AI tools anytime soon. Sam and Jess go back and forth on Snap’s subscription model and whether it can stand up to Meta’s dominance. Plus, Bezos seems wary of a potential Trump comeback. We’re also on ↓ X: https://twitter.com/moreorlesspod Instagram: https://instagram.com/moreorless Spotify: https://pod...

#70: Is Apple’s Vision Out of Focus? 25.10.2024

Apple’s Vision Pro has had its fair share of challenges. Initially aiming for 3 million units, the forecast adjusted down to 900,000, then 800,000, and ultimately? Just 450,000 sold. For a $3,500 device, that's a tough spot to be in. Going from developer kit to flagship in a hurry? Classic Apple. In this episode, the Morins and Lessins talk about: - Apple vs Meta on AR - AI & mental health, an...

#69: Robots, Rockets, and Elon Hype 18.10.2024

Elon’s robots are real... kind of? On this episode of More or Less, we take a deep dive into the duality of Tesla. Are we witnessing the future or yet another Disney ride? Tune in as Brit, Dave, Sam, and Jess unpack: • Tesla’s We, Robot event • Why the retail army craves Planet Elon • Waymo & the future of robovehicles • Late-stage capitalism We’re also on ↓ X: https://x.com/moreorlesspod Inst...

#68: Google's Antitrust Saga Continues… 11.10.2024

Google’s enjoyed a monopoly-sized head start for a while. But it now looks like the DOJ’s ready to throw a wrench in its works. Is a breakup of the search giant on the cards? In EP 068 of the pod, Brit, Dave, and Jess talk all things: - antitrust and Google, - screen time and parental control, and - why leveraging AI for consumer apps might still be a pipe dream. We’re also on ↓ YouTube: https://w...

#67: OpenAI Sets a Record and Will Apple Make Its Next Move? 04.10.2024

OpenAI Sets a Record and Will Apple Make Its Next Move? 00:00 - Introduction and The @VCBrags Twitter Account 04:48 - The Sam and Dave Contest 07:15 - OpenAI's Record-Breaking Funding Round 13:04 - OpenAI's Product Strategy Shift 18:05 - The Future of A.I. and Consumer Experiences 19:28 - Apple's Potential in the A.I. Space 26:23 - The Impact of A.I. on Software Development 33:55 - Dave's Three A....

#66: Meta Connect, the Hardware Renaissance (or Not?) and Special Guest Dan Feder  27.09.2024

Meta Connect, the Hardware Renaissance (or Not?) and Special Guest Dan Feder 

#65: Instagram, YouTube and the Kids 20.09.2024

Plus, China, the supply chain and Sam climbs a mountain. MrBeast Strategy Doc: https://cybernews.com/news/mrbeast-leaked-pdf-spills-secrets-how-to-be-successful-on-youtube/ 0:00 - Introduction and Debriefing Sam's Mountain Climbing Trip 5:50 - Instagram's New Teen Controls 10:20 - The Role of Tech Companies in Child Safety 12:34 - YouTube's New Hype Feature 13:30 - MrBeast's Leaked...

#64: Meta vs. Apple: the Future of Open vs. Closed Tech 13.09.2024

Plus, is MrBeast the new BuzzFeed? And the latest with Stripe. Sam's MrBeast is Buzzfeed 2.0: https://x.com/lessin/status/1833545048543375856?s=46 00:00 - Introduction and A Mystery 02:54 - An Honest Review of The Mill 04:46 - The Happenings and Headlines 05:16 - Reflections on The Acquired Podcast Live with Mark Zuckerburg 14:41 - A Critique of the Live Podcast Format 16:43 - Reflections on T...

#63: 'Nasty' Founder Mode 06.09.2024

The right—and wrong—lessons about tech's favorite new topic. Plus, a new type of parental warning. Show Notes: 00:00 - Introduction and Labor Day Tennis 02:00 - Pickleball 03:00 - Founder Mode 05:00 - Organizational Structures 12:00 - Founder Mode from a VC Perspective 15:00 - Galaxy Brain vs. 100 Nodes 18:00 - Uber vs. AirBNB 22:00 - Optimizers vs. Builders 25:00 - The Parent Analogy 26:00 -...

#62: Telegram, Free Speech and Its Limits 30.08.2024

Plus, Burning Man and Zuck's political moves.

#61: The Venture Capital Reset Era 23.08.2024

Plus, a preview of Sam's new opus. And a More or Less fall meetup! Show Notes: 00:00 - Introduction and Vacation Plans 01:14 - Sam's Unpublished Document on Higher Education 04:44 - Joe Rogan's Peter Thiel Interview Pt. 1 08:35 - Health and Wellness Trends 12:33 - Joe Rogan's Peter Thiel Interview Pt. 2 16:39 - The Reset Phase 25:06 - Capital-Efficient Investments 31:14 - Understan...

#60: Body Futurism and Why Gen Z is Ditching Tech 16.08.2024

Plus, thank you Susan Wojcicki and the truth about remote work.

#59: Google: Can it Outrun Regulation? 09.08.2024

Plus, Sam's Instagram splurge and new science on how women should work out.

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