Money Advice Trust

Money Advice Trust

Welcome to the Vulnerability Matters podcast from the Money Advice Trust. A series that examines from a range of perspectives how firms are supporting consumers in vulnerable situations.

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Oct 28, 2026

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Episodes

Episode 49 - Is ‘trauma’ our responsibility too? With Rachel Edwards. 17.09.2025

What does it mean to design a service, product, or even a letter in a ‘trauma-informed’ way? Content designer Rachel Edwards explains to Chris Fitch what trauma is (and isn’t), how it affects peoples’ everyday lives, and how six principles can turn any design into a ‘trauma-informed 'design. https://www.designedwithcare.org/

Episode 48 - Loopholes, crypto, and gambling. With Raminta Diliso (Gamcare) and Jason 03.09.2025

In this Season 4 opener, we look at cryptocurrency and gambling. Unpacking its rise and effects are Raminta Diliso (GamCare Financial Harm Project) and Jason (who shares his experience of the impact and loopholes that crypto introduced to his gambling), with Chris Fitch asking the key question: what, if anything, can financial service and other firms do to tackle this? https://www.gamcare.org.uk/o...

The Art of Listening. Presented by Dr Elizabeth Blakelock. 06.08.2025

In her final lecture, Elizabeth focuses on the power of listening. Identifying this not only as an individual human skill we all need to develop, but also as the core of an effective organisational strategy on vulnerability and inclusion, Elizabeth introduces different ways of listening for our organisation to connect, prevent harm, and deliver change. LINKS: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elizabethb...

The Inclusion Outcomes. Presented by Dr Elizabeth Blakelock. 06.08.2025

In her second lecture, Elizabeth explores whether concepts like fairness, equity, diversity, and inclusion can really help organisations measure and improve customer outcomes. Explaining why it is critical to go beyond surface-level metrics, Elizabeth identifies how we can identify hidden harms, and the role of disaggregated data in understanding who benefits - and who is being left behind. LINKS:...

The Inclusion Allies. Presented by Dr Elizabeth Blakelock. 06.08.2025

In her first of three lectures, Elizabeth enters the world of the ‘Inclusion Allies’ – the people, networks, and groups who can help us build inclusion from within. Examining how such relationships can drive powerful change, Elizabeth outlines the practical steps needed to draw on lived experience from within organisations and sectors, and how such connections are essential to short and long-term...

Episode 47 - More light, more heat? Ofgem’s new vulnerability strategy with Beth Martin 23.07.2025

Can Ofgem’s 2025 Consumer Vulnerability Strategy really lead to better services? Just what is new about it? And how will it meet an army of challenges ranging from net-zero to the cost of living to market reform? Beth Martin (Director, Consumer Protection and Competition) lights up the strategy, explains how Ofgem will hold “firms’ feet to the fire” to deliver it, and outlines the everyday differe...

Economic abuse: will UK Finance’s 2025 code help? With Dr Nicola Sharp-Jeffs 16.07.2025

In this bonus episode, Dr Nicola Sharp-Jeffs returns to explore the newly released 2025 Financial Abuse Code from UK Finance. Building on a decade of development, the Code outlines seven pillars for firms to better identify and support customers. But how well will it protect victim-survivors of economic abuse? Nicola explains all to Chris Fitch. https://www.linkedin.com/in/dr-nicola-sharp-jeffs-ob...

Episode 46 - Economic abuse: the woman who changed everything. With Dr Nicola Sharp-Jeffs. 09.07.2025

Nicola Sharp-Jeffs has been the UK’s leading voice on economic abuse over the last two decades, and is now bringing about change on the global stage. In her first public conversation since stepping down as CEO of the charity she founded, Surviving Economic Abuse, Nicola explains what economic abuse means to her, the policy milestones and practical mountains she has encountered, and just how all es...

Episode 45 - Inclusive design stop talking, start doing. With Jo Ellis (Tesco Bank) and Katherine Snow (Nile) 25.06.2025

Chatter about 'inclusive design' has never been greater - but a significant difference exists between discussing the approach, and actually doing it. Jo Ellis and Katherine Snow explain how Tesco Bank made the shift from eulogising about inclusive design to actually embedding it in within the organisation. Outlining the process they followed, they describe to Chris Fitch the crests and challenges...

Episode 44 - COGA – design’s best kept secret? With Lisa Seeman-Horwitz and Chris Fitch 11.06.2025

Lisa Seeman-Horwitz explains how COGA – the Cognitive Accessibility Guidelines - can help us design essential services that better support people with cognitive and learning disabilities. Chris Fitch asks Lisa about the rise of COGA in the last decade, the principles and personas that underpin it, and the future inclusion of mental health within the framework. Plus Chris repeatedly refers to Lisa’...

Episode 43 - Does anyone know what ‘financial inclusion’ actually means? 28.05.2025

Financial inclusion is in the spotlight - but what does it actually mean? Howard Taylor - Financial Inclusion Commissioner and PwC Director – explains all, and provides a simple, memorable, and surprisingly entertaining way to understand how the complex relationship between financial inclusion, vulnerability and accessibility works in practice. Howard also outlines the key pillars and pathways to...

Episode 42 - What makes an adjustment reasonable? 14.05.2025

Disabled customers need reasonable adjustments – but just what is reasonable (and unreasonable)? Dr Maria Orchard (University of Leeds) and Naomi Aziz (Scope) unpack what the Equality Act 2010, and the Equality and Human Rights Commission’s Code of Practice, suggest that every firm could usefully consider. https://www.linkedin.com/in/mariaorchard https://www.linkedin.com/in/naomipeel/ https://www....

Episode 41 - Vulnerability isn’t just a duty - it’s a movement 30.04.2025

What if ‘vulnerability’ was more than a technical label and instead became part of a wider human movement for change? In this episode, Lee Healey (Founder of IncomeMax) explains why now is the time to think about vulnerability not just a regulatory duty, but as an opportunity to embed empathy, kindness, and action across society. https://www.linkedin.com/in/incomemax/ https://www.incomemax.org.uk/...

Episode 40 - Does AI ‘get’ vulnerability? 16.04.2025

AI is promoted as a solution for identifying and supporting vulnerable consumers. But does its performance match its hyperbole? Savannah Price (CEO, Serene) and Dan Holloway (Rogue Interrobang/University of Oxford) cut through the noise and explore not only how far AI has gone on vulnerability, but how much further we might want it to. https://www.linkedin.com/in/ssprice/ https://www.linkedin.com/...

Episode 39 - When innovation excludes? Touchscreen payment devices and disabled consumers 02.04.2025

Touchscreen payment devices are used across the UK’s shops, cafes, and restaurants. But has this flatscreen payment revolution excluded millions of disabled consumers? Dr Amy Kavanagh (accessibility specialist) and Adam Scarrott (UK Finance) debate the challenges, oversights, and design solutions. Links: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dr-amy-kavanagh/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/adam-scarrott-b914271...

Episode 38 - How to get into prison 18.03.2025

Matt Dronfield describes how a fleet of video debt advice kiosks are now reaching some of the UK’s hardest to engage communities, including Brixton Prison. Matt explains what the impact has been, and just how he managed to get permission to install soundproof, internet connected, video kiosks across the UK’s prison estate. https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattdronfield/ https://debtfreeadvice.com/news-...

Exclusive FCA interview: Vulnerability Review findings. 12.03.2025

Recorded live from the London launch event of the FCA’s much-anticipated review of how financial service firms are treating customers in vulnerable circumstances, Chris Fitch talks to Charlotte Clark about what the review’s findings mean for firms, consumers, and the regulator too, and whether consumer vulnerability can really sit alongside wider economic growth objectives. Charlotte Clark - https...

Episode 37 - Not my problem? Why signposting has to change. 04.03.2025

When a customer has needs that go beyond our internal expertise, signposting is our go-to solution. But are we doing it wrong? What should we change? And just how can we use it to help our customers, but avoid over-whelming the charities and specialist organisations that are already struggling with demand? https://www.linkedin.com/in/catdivers

Episode 36 - Help! A new approach to support with Christine Tate and Dan Holloway 17.02.2025

Christine Tate and Dan Holloway talk about a brand new guide “Help! What support can firms give disabled consumers and people in vulnerable situations?”. Dubbed a support-needs-mini-starter-guide-for-the-confused, this new resource brings together over 100 different types of common support needs from a range of essential sectors and people with lived experience for the very first time. www. MoneyA...

Episode 35 - Do you want to build an Empth Lab? With Shaun Conner, Government Digital Service 05.02.2025

Shaun Conner talks to Chris Fitch about setting-up an ‘Empathy’ or ’Accessibility Lab’ to help staff better understand the barriers that disabled people face in their interactions with essential services. But what sort of kit do you find in an ‘Empth’ Lab? And can such simulation ever really work in practice? Shaun Conner (LinkedIn) https://www.linkedin.com/in/shaun-conner/ Government Accessibilit...

Episode 34 - High-impact interactions: how do we recover? With Andy Langford and Chris Fitch 22.01.2025

Drawing on his experience of supporting people involved in the Grenfell Tower fire, Manchester Arena bombing, and other national emergencies, Andy Langford talks to Chris Fitch about the key steps that we can take during and after such high-impact events to restore safety and diminish distress, and what essential services can learn from this. https://www.linkedin.com/in/andy-langford-548979204/

Episode 33 - So…what does 2025 hold for consumer vulnerability? With Grace Brownfield and Phil King 08.01.2025

Grace and Phil draw on new consumer and survey data to identify the major vulnerability trends, policy launches, and practical impacts that we’ll see in 2025, and explain to Chris Fitch just what the key events of 2024 were that got us here. https://www.moneyadvicetrust.org/vulnerability

Episode 32 -“The Experiment We Never Knew We Needed” with Katie Orme, Octopus Energy 11.12.2024

Katie Orme talks to Chris Fitch about Octopus Energy’s decision to employ a team of eight in-house social workers for its customers. Katie shares what a typical day involves as Head of Service for Social Work, the types of customer cases she is helping, and the impact her team of eight are having for Octopus Energy and the customers they serve. https://www.linkedin.com/in/katie-orme-764b41282/

Episode 31 - ‘ Digital poverty’ doesn’t mean what you think with Elizabeth Anderson 27.11.2024

Elizabeth Anderson talks to Chris Fitch about what ‘digital poverty’ actually is. Cutting through the most common myths, Elizabeth explains what living in a ‘digital first’ world looks like to the 11 million UK adults who lack the skills to navigate it, or who cannot afford the costs of online life, and what essential services can do for digitally vulnerable consumers. https://www.linkedin.com/com...

Episode 13 - Lived experience with Dan Holloway and Chris Fitch 18.11.2024

Everyone is talking about the importance of ‘lived experience’ and ‘experts by experience’, but what exactly do these phrases mean?  Just how do we practically involve people with this experience in our work? And what difference does it all make anyway? Answering these questions is researcher, writer, and lived experience expert Dan Holloway (from Oxford University spin-out Rogue Interrobang), and...

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