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Modern Law Library
Discover books and stories that explore the law in new and surprising ways through eye-opening conversations with their authors. Whether it’s fiction or non-fiction that you seek, Modern Law Library features today’s top legal authors and delves into legal theories, historical events, true crime, and law-inspired storytelling. Join Lee Rawles twice a month as she opens up a new legal publication on Modern Law Library, a Lisagor Award-winning podcast.
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Jun 17, 2026
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In ‘Her Honor,’ trailblazing women judges take center stage 08.03.2023 41:32
When Lauren Stiller Rikleen was approached in 2020 by the ABA Judicial Division to help compile autobiographical stories from women judges in America, a powerful motivating factor for her was to capture stories of the barriers the judges overcame in their own words. Rikleen, a former law firm partner and consultant who writes and speaks about the importance of cross-generational communication, tel...
In ‘Myth America,’ historians challenge misinformation about our past 22.02.2023 30:21
Some American patriotic myths are harmless; George Washington may have chopped down a cherry tree at some point in his life, but the popular story told to children where young George fesses up to the deed by saying “I cannot tell a lie” is made up from whole cloth. However, there are much more pernicious lies and misinformation circulated about our past as a country, and that misinformation is use...
Bestselling author relished collaboration for 'Heat' follow-up 08.02.2023 30:56
When former lawyer and bestselling author Meg Gardiner teamed up with Michael Mann for the follow-up novel to his 1995 crime thriller movie Heat, working with the legendary filmmaker was an eye-opener. “All the legends about his proclivities for research are accurate,” Gardiner told the ABA Journal's Matt Reynolds. “If you want to find out how to perform a tunnel heist in a Chicago bank, you bette...
From Amanda Knox to Kyle Rittenhouse, lawyer discusses justice and due process in the digital age 25.01.2023 34:10
In Anne Bremner’s work as a Seattle-based trial attorney, she saw a disturbing pattern—that high-profile cases often trending on Twitter challenge the concept “innocent until proven guilty,” as cases are tried online, as well as in courtroom proceedings. In this episode, the ABA Journal's Julianne Hill speaks to Bremner about the case of Amanda Knox and why it prompted her to write Justice in the...
Lawyer digs into big data for new legal thriller 'Code 6' 04.01.2023 25:40
Lawyer and author James Grippando made a name for himself writing legal thrillers, including the bestselling series of novels featuring Miami criminal defense attorney Jack Swyteck. He wanted to try something a little different for his new novel, Code 6, and explore the dangers of big data and tech.
This lawyer tackled lifelong anxiety to free herself from 'The Box' 21.12.2022 38:06
Since childhood, Wendy Tamis Robbins experienced debilitating anxiety and panic attacks. Her perfectionism pushed her to achieve in sports and academics, and her high level of achievement masked her mental anguish from public view. While she found success in her legal and political careers, Robbins was negotiating with her own brain to get through her days, minute by minute. Robbins began writing...
Our favorite pop culture picks in 2022 08.12.2022 37:46
In our annual Year in Review episode, Lee Rawles speaks to her ABA Journal colleagues Blair Chavis, Julianne Hill and Stephanie Francis Ward to find out how they spent their downtime in 2022. We cover the usual lineup of our favorite books, movies and TV shows, but each participant also provides more niche content. Hill, who recently joined the Journal full-time after freelancing for the magazine,...
Can change really come from within the system? These 13 prosecutors think so 30.11.2022 35:16
Miriam Aroni Krinsky worked as a prosecutor in Los Angeles County in the 1980s and 1990s as the War on Drugs was waged. Mandatory minimum sentences and tough-on-crime laws sent prison populations soaring and ripped apart families and communities. Krinsky believed that change was needed–and that it could come from prosecutors themselves. In 2016, she tells the ABA Journal's Lee Rawles, there was e...
'By Hands Now Known' shines light on cold cases of lynchings and racial violence 16.11.2022 40:24
In the summer of 2020, when the murder of George Floyd was igniting protests in Minneapolis and around the country, it occurred to Margaret A. Burnham that “George Floyd” was a common-sounding name. Burnham is the founder and director of the Civil Rights and Restorative Justice Project at the Northwestern University School of Law, where she is also a professor. She went into the CRRJ’s archive of...
How do you calculate damages in injury trials? 26.10.2022 44:04
For any plaintiff who's been injured or any young attorney just starting out in the field of tort law, it can be daunting to calculate what monetary damages–and nonmonetary damages like pain and suffering–they should be asking for if they win a civil trial or are evaluating a settlement offer. Estimating what the future would have looked like if an accident had never occurred can seem more like a...
Author and lawyer Scott Turow made generational leap for new legal thriller 12.10.2022 27:38
Author and lawyer Scott Turow’s latest legal thriller Suspect reintroduces readers to Clarice “Pinky” Granum, the granddaughter of attorney Sandy Stern—a character from the author's novels The Last Trial and his blockbuster debut Presumed Innocent.
Nina Totenberg's early life, NPR legacy and friendship with the Notorious RBG 21.09.2022 49:28
In this special two-part episode of the Modern Law Library, the ABA Journal's Lee Rawles speaks with Lisa Napoli, author of Susan, Linda, Nina & Cokie: The Extraordinary Story of the Founding Mothers of NPR, and we hear from Nina Totenberg herself about her new book, Dinners With Ruth: A Memoir on the Power of Friendships. Totenberg appeared at an American Bar Foundation event to celebrate the lau...
9th Circuit judge shines light on Justice William O. Douglas’ environmental campaigns 07.09.2022 44:08
Justice William O. Douglas could be known for his fiery opinions, turbulent personal life and longtime presidential ambitions. But Judge M. Margaret McKeown is shining a light on his groundbreaking environmental advocacy in Citizen Justice: The Environmental Legacy of William O. Douglas—Public Advocate and Conservation Champion. McKeown, who sits on the San Francisco-based 9th U.S. Circuit Court o...
Sick of meetings that go off the rails? Robert’s Rules of Order can help 24.08.2022 48:55
It’s no secret that lawyers are asked to attend or preside over many kinds and types of meetings. From attending a professional association’s annual meeting with hundreds of fellow attorneys (as the ABA just held in August) to being asked to chair a non-profit board or preside at an HOA meeting, lawyers are often looked to for guidance. But not everyone has formal training in running a meeting, an...
Summer Pop Culture Picks and What Else We Lost When Roe was Overturned 10.08.2022 45:32
It’s time for the Modern Law Library’s summer recommendations episode, where host Lee Rawles shares her pop culture picks with you, plus a re-airing of one of our older episodes that has become relevant again. In this case, it’s a 2018 conversation with Mary Ziegler about her book Beyond Abortion: Roe v. Wade and the Battle for Privacy. Ziegler shares information about other areas of the law in wh...
After collaborating with bestselling author, judge discusses new solo book 27.07.2022 39:08
After several collaborations with bestselling author James Patterson, Judge David Ellis of Illinois decided to go it alone for his latest book, Look Closer. In this episode, the ABA Journal's Matt Reynolds talks to Ellis about his Patterson partnership, his own crime fiction and how he balances his judicial work with his writing.
The modern US Border Patrol is a national police force with dangerous capabilities, author warns 13.07.2022 39:00
In Nobody is Protected: How the Border Patrol Became the Most Dangerous Police Force in the United States, geographer Reece Jones argues that Supreme Court precedent, a growing workforce and mission creep have made the U.S. Border Patrol a national police force that operates without appropriate accountability. In this episode of the Modern Law Library, Jones and the ABA Journal's Lee Rawles discus...
Authors of '50 Lessons for Happy Lawyers' share some top tips 29.06.2022 38:29
Even during times less tumultuous than the one we are in now, lawyers as a profession report high levels of stress. Finding the way to keep motivated and healthy on an individual level while fighting systemic problems is no easy task. It was this challenge that lawyers Nora Bergman and Chelsy Castro set out to address in their new book, 50 Lessons for Happy Lawyers. In this episode of the Modern L...
Do you have what it takes to break into esports? 08.06.2022 41:45
Are you a lawyer who plays League of Legends late at night? A World of Warcraft warrior who engages in courtroom combat during your daytime gig? And have you ever wished you could break into esports on a professional level–whether you're armed with a game controller or a briefcase? Well, esports is a growing industry, and if you'd like to make it part of your legal practice, a background in gaming...
Work for Canadian residential school survivors informs lawyer's debut novel 25.05.2022 45:33
As a lawyer, Michelle Good spent years investigating the trauma that Canada’s residential school system inflicted on Indigenous people. As an author, it took her nine years to write her first novel about the lives of five teenagers who leave a church-run school and coalesce in Eastside Vancouver, British Columbia. For Good, it was imperative that she took her time to get the story right. Her patie...
Wiretapping's origins might surprise you 11.05.2022 40:21
On the cover of Brian Hochman's book The Listeners: A History of Wiretapping in the United States is a martini cocktail, complete with skewered olive. Someone attempting to judge a book by its cover may think this is a riff on James Bond and his brethren in espionage. But international espionage is not the primary use of wiretapping in the United States; it's a longer, stranger tale than that. Hoc...
How–and why–Kazakhstan gave up its Soviet-era nuclear weapons 20.04.2022 48:15
During its time as a Soviet republic within the USSR, Kazakhstan was the site of massive nuclear tests, both above and below ground. The cost to the environment and health of the Kazakh people and livestock was likewise massive, though the full scale of the effects was under-studied and suppressed for decades. Through massive public protests in the 1980s, nuclear-weapons testing in the Semipalatin...
Ex-Tesla attorney leveraged her contract expertise into a book and thriving LinkedIn community 06.04.2022 34:18
In August 2020, contract attorney Laura Frederick accepted a challenge: Post to LinkedIn once a day, every day, for a month. Frederick thought she might be able to keep up a string of several days in a row. Instead, her daily posts became a way to connect with colleagues, build business, create a brand identity, and have a social lifeline during the isolation of the pandemic. A selection of those...
'No Equal Justice' shares George Crockett Jr.'s civil rights legacy 30.03.2022 48:35
Detroit has been the site of many civil rights and labor rights battles, and many notable Black attorneys have called the city home. The first Black president of the ABA, Dennis Archer, came from the Detroit legal community, as does the current ABA president, Reginald Turner. But the full story of one of the city's pioneering legal figures has not been told–until now. In No Equal Justice: The Leg...
The justice system is the antagonist in retired judge's legal thriller novel 16.03.2022 29:19
Retired judge and bestselling novelist Martin Clark had to deal with his fair share of rejection before he finally broke in more than two decades ago with his debut novel, The Many Aspects of Mobile Home Living. After several false starts, that book got Clark’s career up and running. In this episode, the ABA Journal's Matt Reynolds finds out what made the difference for Clark, and gets tips for ot...
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