Pam Harris, Kim Montague

Math is Figure-Out-Able!

Math teacher educator Pam Harris and her cohost Kim Montague answer the question: If not algorithms, then what? Join them for ~15-30 minutes every Tuesday as they cast their vision for mathematics education and give actionable items to help teachers teach math that is Figure-Out-Able. See www. MathisFigureOutAble.com for more great resources!

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Pam Harris, Kim Montague

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Jul 8, 2026

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Episodes

Ep 63: Counting is More Than A, B, C 31.08.2021

Counting strategies can often go overlooked. Learning to count in a way that prepares students for Additive Reasoning is complex. But just how hard can counting be? Wait until you listen to this episode! Pam and Kim discuss how to help young learners increase in their sophistication as they count to add numbers. Talking Points: Counting is more than singing the song. Addition requires a strong fou...

Ep 62: Models That Aren't Our Fav 24.08.2021

In this episode Pam and Kim show how three popular models - 100 charts, base ten blocks, and algebra tiles - while powerful for developing reasoning, can limit students' development of more sophisticated thinking as tools for computation.  Talking Points: CRA vs tools for thinking What are 100 charts, base 10 blocks and algebra tiles? 3 limitations for some manipulatives that prevent kids fro...

Ep 61: Ten Frames 17.08.2021

Continuing their series on models and modeling, Pam and Kim discuss the advantages and pitfalls of Ten Frames. They emphasize the power of models that can become tools for thinking and reasoning. Ten Frames can be an excellent tool for helping kids see the structure of 5 and 10 when counting. But what happens when students need to compute and build Additive Reasoning? Talking Points: What are Ten...

Ep 60: Number Bonds and Tape Diagrams 10.08.2021

Let's keep talking about modeling! A lot of you may be familiar with Number Bonds and Tape Diagrams and may be wondering about how they fit in with our modeling framework. In this episode Pam and Kim discuss these models and some of the confusion and misunderstanding surrounding them. They offer suggestions to help teachers advance students from "modeling of the situation" to "...

Ep 59: Why Not Manipulatives? 03.08.2021

Are manipulatives sometimes overemphasized? When are they useful, and when can they actually get in the way of the mathematics? What role do they play in our discussion about the modeling framework? Pam and Kim discuss these tricky questions, and discuss the power of contexts and developing models as tools for reasoning. Talking Points:  An important modeling framework What are manipulatives? Gail...

Ep 58: Introducing the Modeling Framework 27.07.2021

It's time to talk about one of our foundational ideas for facilitating Real Math! In this episode Pam and Kim detail a modeling framework that helps students to learn to model their own thinking, and then to use models as tools for, or in order to think about, computation.  The goal of the framework is for students to be able to reason and solve complex problems on their own with confidence....

Ep 57: For Parents: How Can I Help My Kid? 20.07.2021

If my experiences as a student are different than my child's experience at school, how can I help them succeed? In this episode for parents, we provide two clear ways you can support your child to be the best math student they can be. Be sure to listen to episodes 55 and 56 for the rest our series for parents. Talking Points: We can all be mathy people Parents' attitudes towards math aff...

Ep 56: For Parents: Why Does "New Math" Look Different? 13.07.2021

Hey parents! Thank you so much for listening to part two of our series for parents. It can be really frustrating to not understand what it is your kid is doing on their homework. What is up with all of the drawing? Where are the algorithms and simple steps? In this episode we'll explain the purpose and goal of why the math on your kid's paper looks different. Talking Points: Reasoning ab...

Ep 55: For Parents: Why All the "New Math"? 06.07.2021

This episode is for all the parents out there who are invested in helping their children! It can be frustrating to see how math class looks different than it did when we were students. Why is it different anyways? Why would math class have to change? We are so grateful you're taking the time to ask. We'll do our best to provide some answers.  Talking Points: Why did the math we were taug...

Ep 54: Q&A Part 2, Data Analytics and Advice for First Year Teachers 29.06.2021

We love answering your questions! In this episode Pam and Kim answer a question submitted from Rachel Adler. Pam shares her experiences familiarizing her students with data representations, and then Pam and Kim discuss their best advice for first year teachers. Talking Points: Jo Boaler's Data Talks: https://www.youcubed.org/resource/data-talks/  Integrating data analytics into what you are a...

Ep 53: Q&A Part 1, Do Strategies Change Over Time? 22.06.2021

We loved getting all of your questions! Because there's so many questions, Pam and Kim will have to spend the next couple episodes answering them. In this episode they discuss a question about the relevancy of money strategies, and whether strategies will change over time.  Talking Points: Why experience with coins and their relationships is important Distinction between teaching strategies a...

Ep 52: One Year Anniversary Highlight Reel 15.06.2021

We are so grateful to be celebrating our one year anniversary of the podcast! It's been wonderful to hear all the feedback you've given us as you transform your classrooms. Here's to another year of mathematizing! Highlights: Ep 2: Pam's stance on algorithms Ep 9: Defining models and strategies Ep 34: Memorizing multiplication facts is not the answer Ep 27: The students who nee...

Ep 51: Fractions, a Clock Model Pt 2 08.06.2021

We've had so much fun talking about fractions! In this episode Pam and Kim do another Problem String to demonstrate the effective use of a clock model. Talking Points: What denominators work well for a clock model? Example Problem String with non-unit fractions and mixed numbers Should we insist on the most simplified fraction answer? Problems that work with both money and a clock model Today...

Ep 50: Fractions, A Clock Model 01.06.2021

How important is fractional equivalence? Important enough for another model! These models are fantastic for helping students develop a natural understanding of equivalent fractions.  Listen in as Kim and Pam discuss how to use a clock model for denominators uncommon to the money model. Talking Points: Use adding and subtracting fractions to help think and reason about fraction equivalence Using th...

Ep 49: Fractions, A Money Model Pt 2 25.05.2021

In this episode Pam and Kim finish up their money Problem String from the last episode. But first, Pam wanted to reflect a little on how she was less than helpful when Kim was struggling to think about nickels. We all learn and grow, and self-reflection is super important! Talking Points: Do you need time, or do you need help? (see episode 40) Once kids have an answer, do we force them to find ano...

Ep 48: Fractions, A Money Model 18.05.2021

It's time to talk about everyone's two favorite things: fractions and money! Fraction equivalence is a super important concept in mathematics, and it is best developed naturally in a familiar context. In this episode Pam and Kim model using coin denominations to  reason about fractional equivalence.  Talking Points: If you understand fractional equivalence, you don't have to memoriz...

Ep 47: Fractions as Fair Sharing 11.05.2021

Let's keep talking fractions! In this episode Pam and Kim discuss an interesting rich task from Cathy Fosnot to help students reason about fractions within the context of sharing fairly. Listen in to learn about the outcomes teachers should look for when teaching fractional sense in a rich contextual problem. Talking Points: Splitting the wholes into unit fractions  Splitting the leftovers in...

Ep 46: Fractions for Young Learners 04.05.2021

How young can young learners begin to experience fractions? Younger than you think! In this episode Pam and Kim describe simple ways we can help young students begin to develop fractional understanding. Pay attention to how natural it can be for young learners to learn math! Talking Points Struggles that young learners may experience with "half" Simple classroom activities to have studen...

Ep 45: 5 Interpretations of Rational Numbers 27.04.2021

Time to get into fractions! There is so much to learn about teaching fractions and in this episode we wanted to lay some important ground work.  All too often we limit students by giving them experience with only one or two of the important ways fractions can be interpreted. When we help students fully understand fractions by using all of the interpretations, their ability to think proportionally...

Ep 44: Is it About Personality? 20.04.2021

Though some people think Kim and Pam's voices are hard to tell apart, teaching Real Math has nothing to do with a particular style or even personality type. We believe in seeing the humanity in students and empowering them with mathematical confidence! Talking Points: Pam and Kim's results on the Enneagram Test. 2 important things -  Teaching Real Math is more about beliefs about student...

Ep 43: Standardized Tests 13.04.2021

If there's one thing that often comes up in teachers' conversations, it's standardized tests. And Pam and Kim are not afraid to tackle the tough conversations! In this episode Pam asks Kim about her experience with standardized tests, and how teaching Real Math helped Kim's students to succeed. Also don't forget to send in questions for our special 50th episode! We're...

Ep 42: Homework Pt 3 06.04.2021

In this final episode in our series on homework, Pam and Kim discuss what types of homework teachers should send out, as well as some important pitfalls to avoid.  Talking Points: Pen and paper homework Games as homework and things to consider Computer activities as homework and things to consider Communication is critical to honor family time when assigning homework Using homework as a teaching t...

Ep 41: Homework Pt 2 30.03.2021

It's part two of our series on homework! Last time we heard Kim's perspective on when and what kinds of homework to give. Now it's Pam's turn. As a teacher for both high school and university classes, Pam gives an insightful look into when homework is necessary, and how we can always allow the humanity of our students to have precedence. Talking points: What does the research s...

Ep 40: Homework Pt 1 23.03.2021

Welcome to our first off the cuff episode! Pam and Kim have no notes this time and are happy to tackle the topic of homework. Turns out, they have enough to say that this will be part one of a new series! Listen in as Kim makes a confession, and Pam rats out her kids.  Talking points: Some general thoughts about homework. When is a topic appropriate to send home for homework? Some suggestions for...

Ep 39: Everybody Learns, Everybody Grows 16.03.2021

In this episode Pam and Kim discuss why a traditional teaching approach is not effective and propose an alternate way of teaching to help every student learn and grow. It's one of their guiding principles, and they can't believe they're only just now sharing it! All students struggle at some point and all students need a challenge, so this is a great listen for everyone!   Talking p...

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