Steven D Grumbine

Macro N Cheese

A podcast that critically examines the working-class struggle through the lens of MMT or Modern Monetary Theory. Host Steve Grumbine, founder of Real Progressives, provides incisive political commentary and showcases grassroots activism. Join us for a robust, unfiltered exploration of economic issues that impact the working class, as we challenge the status quo and prioritize collective well-being over profit. This is comfort food for the mind, fueling our fight for justice and equity!

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Steven D Grumbine

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Education

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realprogressives.org

Latest episode

Jul 11, 2026

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Episodes

Ep 288 - RP Live Presents: Fiat Socialism with Carlos Garciá Hernández 03.08.2024

In June, Real Progressives hosted a webinar with Carlos García Hernández on his book, Fiat Socialism: Achieving the Goals of Socialism Through Modern Monetary Theory. After hearing his Macro N Cheese interview last year, we wanted to open the door for our volunteers to ask questions and engage with Carlos on this topic. He is an important voice applying the insights of MMT to socialist theory. “‘F...

Ep 287 - Propaganda, Algorithms & Disinformation with Mischa Geracoulis 27.07.2024

According to Mischa Geracoulis, of Project Censored, media is a public good and journalism is a public service. “Being able to access information, being able to join in, participate in the free flow of information, to have an opinion, to formulate a stance –that is actually considered a human right, under Article 19 of the UN Declaration of Human Rights.” It only follows that censorship is a viola...

Ep 286 - Modern Monetary Theory and the European Project with Dirk Ehnts 20.07.2024

Steve’s guest this week is Dirk Ehnts, a lecturer and author who specializes in modern monetary theory (MMT). They discuss Dirk's new book, "A Simple Guide to the Monetary System," which aims to simplify the often complex concepts of MMT. They discuss the significance of the Copernican turn to MMT, which refers to the shift in perspective that occurred during the COVID-19 pandemic. Dirk explains t...

Ep 285 - We the Poisoned: No One Will Save Us with Jordan Chariton 13.07.2024

When corporations are guilty of poisoning the population, it is newsworthy. When state and local governments are complicit, it is newsworthy.  Yet the US media refuses to cover some of the most scandalous and tragic stories of our time, despite overwhelming evidence of corporate and government culpability. Jordan Chariton, CEO of Status Coup, has many years of experience working for both main...

Ep 284 - How The West Was Lost with Thomas Fazi 06.07.2024

**On Tuesday evening we’re gathering for a listening party and discussion of this episode of the podcast. Get the Zoom link here https://realprogressives.org/event/macro-n-chill-284/    If anyone still thinks adopting the Euro was a good idea, this episode should set you straight.  Writer and journalist Thomas Fazi joins Steve to talk about the critical issues surrounding&...

Ep 283 - Can Unions Survive the Struggle Within? with Traven Leyshon 29.06.2024

** For a full transcript of this and every episode of the podcast, go to our website, where you will also find an “Extras” section with information and links to resources discussed in the episode. realprogressives.org/macro-n-cheese-podcast/     At Macro N Cheese we’ve been having an ongoing conversation about the need for radical change in the labor movement and the rise of class strugg...

Ep 282 - Argentina For Sale with Daniel Kostzer 22.06.2024

What happens to a nation when its leaders get in bed with the IMF? In this episode, Steve and his guest Daniel Kostzer look at the case of Argentina under President Javier Milei. Daniel is the Chief Economist of the International Trade Union Confederation.  They discuss the recent legislative wins by Milei's government, which have sparked mass protests and civil unrest in the country. The ref...

Ep 281 - Gaza: Unmasking Empire with Dan Kovalik 15.06.2024

Dan Kovalik, author and human rights lawyer, joins Steve to talk about his new book,  The Case for Palestine: Why it Matters and Why You Should Care . The conversation goes into the history of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the concept of settler colonialism, and the current situation in Gaza. They criticize the US government's support for Israel and the lack of accountability for the ongo...

Ep 280 - MMT Gives Labor Its Wings with Tschaff Reisberg 08.06.2024

In this episode, Steve has a conversation with Tschäff (pronounced “Jeff”) Reisberg, the secretary of the Charlotte Metrolina Labor Council and a professional flight attendant, about the vital role of the labor movement through the lens of MMT.   They look at the intersection of movement building and labor's role, emphasizing that real economic advocacy should lead to tangible change. St...

Ep 279 - Seeking Solidarity with Steve Hall 01.06.2024

**Each episode of Macro N Cheese has an “Extras” section filled with information and links to resources related to topics touched on in the interview. Go to https://realprogressives.org/macro-n-cheese-podcast/ where you will also find a full transcript of the episode.   Steve Grumbine’s guest is Steve Hall, a Professor Emeritus of Criminology who has published in the fields of criminology, so...

Ep 278 - Radicalizing the Youth: The Significance of Campus Protests with Bryce Greene 25.05.2024

Bryce Greene was recently arrested during campus protests in support of Palestine. Steve, who believes ignoring the slaughter in Gaza is akin to ignoring the holocaust, invited him to describe his experience and insights into the student encampments and the anti-Zionist movement in the US.  Bryce is a writer and organizer currently working towards his PhD in Informatics. His work focuses...

Ep 277 - Be the Revolution with Jay Ponti 18.05.2024

**On Tuesday evening we’re holding a listening party and informal discussion of this episode. Join us for Macro ‘n Chill. Register here: https://us06web.zoom.us/meeting/register/tZArcuqsqD0tH92MxVmJIqj4PHtojQGgFl2l   Grassroots political organizer Jay Ponti talks with Steve about his book, "Be the Revolution: How Occupy Wall Street and the Bernie Sanders Movement Reshaped American Politi...

Ep 276 - What Democracy? with Aaron Good 11.05.2024

Aaron Good, a political scientist and historian, talks with Steve about the US political system and power dynamics. They explore the roles of the deep state and oligarchy in policy-making and the suppression of democracy. “This is a very low point in the history of democracy. Perhaps the lowest point ever, if you put it in a historical context. The United States was never really a democracy. Democ...

Ep 275 - Insurgent Labor with David Van Deusen 04.05.2024

In a previous episode of this podcast, David Van Deusen spoke about the radical ten-point program adopted by the Vermont State Labor Council, AFL-CIO. This time, he and Steve discuss David’s new book, Insurgent Labour: The Vermont AFL-CIO from 2017 to 2023 . They look at the importance of working-class unity, the need for unions to be more democratic and inclusive, and the need for a new approach...

Ep 274 - Is Bail Reform the Answer? with Jeff Clayton 27.04.2024

When most of us think about bail, we focus on the financial burden it presents to the accused. This week’s guest is Jeffrey J. Clayton, Executive Director of the American Bail Coalition. He talks to Steve about the complicated anti-democratic trap that is our criminal justice system. Jeff explains that across the US there are plans in place to eliminate bail. (One would think that’s good news. One...

Ep 273 - RP Live: Putin's Russia with Esha Krishnaswamy 20.04.2024

**Check our website for upcoming events such as book clubs, RP Live webinars, and the Tuesday evening discussion group, Macro ‘n Chill. https://realprogressives.org/ This week’s episode is the audio track of a recent webinar with historian Esha Krishnaswamy. Esha is now living in Russia to research and write a people’s history of the Soviet Union. The discussion begins with the story of the First...

Ep 272 - Assange: In Defense of Journalists & Whistleblowers with Kevin Gosztola 13.04.2024

“Assange is being targeted by the US government because he doesn't conform to the dominant culture of the US prestige media. He's not going to be invited to the White House Correspondents' Dinner. He's not going to be given a Pulitzer. He's not going to be treated as one of them.” Steve’s guest is journalist Kevin Gosztola, author of Guilty of Journalism: The Political Case Against Julian Assange...

Ep 271 - Defining Value with L. Randall Wray 06.04.2024

**RP Book Club is beginning a new series, Sunday April 7, 14, and 21, at 3pm ET/12pm PT. Register once for all three sessions. realprogressives.org/event/rp-book-club-the-communist-manifesto/2024-04-07 L. Randall Wray talks with Steve about the concept of value in the context of MMT. Randy discusses the labor theory of value and the liquidity premise theory, saying both approaches are critical to...

Ep 270 - Class, Capitalism, and MMT with Bill Mitchell 30.03.2024

A hundred years ago, John Maynard Keynes predicted we would see a massive expansion of growth and productivity under capitalism. Bingo. He got that right. He said this amazing efficiency would result in a shorter work week with far more leisure time for everyone. Oops. Not so much. The structure of capital ownership will never permit it. Bill Mitchell’s blog post, Keynes Was Wrong Because He Faile...

Ep 269 - Finding Your Why with Steve Grumbine 23.03.2024

This episode of Macro N Cheese is dedicated to Steve’s mom, Joan Grumbine. Her kindness, love, and unwavering dedication to her family and community will be deeply missed. May she rest in peace. In his first solo episode, our host and jefe, Steve Grumbine, recounts the story of his political transformation from conservative republican to passionate MMT advocate, to self-identified socialist. He be...

Ep 268 - There Is No Magic Pricing Fairy with Brian Romanchuk 16.03.2024

** Be sure to check the Real Progressives website’s calendar for upcoming events. On Sunday, March 17th at noon ET/9am PT, we’re hosting a webinar, RP Live with Esha Krishnaswamy: Putin’s Russia . On Tuesday evenings, 8pm ET/5pm PT, come to Macro ‘n Chill, where we listen to the most recent episode of this podcast and discuss it with the community. https://realprogressives.org/rp-events-calendar/...

Ep 267 - Demystifying Sellers Inflation with Yeva Nersisyan 09.03.2024

The American people see through mainstream claims of “the greatest economy ever.” They are confronted by evidence to the contrary every day. Steve and his guest, economist Yeva Nersisyan, take a deep dive into the current US economy, looking at the repercussions of the high costs of education, healthcare, and housing. They discuss different perspectives on the causes of inflation and talk about Is...

Ep 266 - Les Milei with Daniel Conceição 02.03.2024

** Reminder: You are invited to listen to and discuss this episode with friends from Real Progressives on Tuesday, March 5th. Find the Zoom link at https://realprogressives.org/rp-events-calendar/ “If the soul is left in darkness, sins will be committed. The guilty one is not he who commits the sin, but the one who causes the darkness.” — Victor Hugo Daniel Conceição talks with Steve about Argenti...

Ep 265 - Is Marx Still Relevant? with Steve Maher 24.02.2024

**To discuss this episode among friends, come to our listening party, Macro ‘n Chill, on Tuesday February 27th at 8pm ET/5pm PT. For the link go to our Events Calendar https://realprogressives.org/rp-events-calendar “But fortunately for us, human nature is precisely the capacity to be creative; to imagine a different way of living together and to bring that into being through our conscious and del...

Ep 264 - Deconstructing the Colonial Archetype with Fadhel Kaboub 17.02.2024

** If you haven’t yet come to our Tuesday night listening party, this is the week to do so. Join the Real Progressives community as we dive in and discuss this episode. The registration link is posted on our Events Calendar prior to each Tuesday’s session — it’s usually up by Saturday. Look for Macro ‘n Chill. https://realprogressives.org/rp-events-calendar/ This week Steve talks with our friend,...

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