Lunch on The Way

Lunch on The Way

Religion EN ↓ 85 episodes

Kia Ora Koutou, and welcome to Lunch on The Way! We're three guys doing theology over lunch, and sometimes we'll do that with others. We talk about church, culture, theology, philosophy, and more, always wanting to be as practical as possible. This is a thinking podcast more than a teaching podcast. We want to warn you, that what's said here is not yet complete, because, like any good conversation, you never want it to end.

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Lunch on The Way

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Religion

Latest episode

Jun 29, 2026

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Episodes

The Tyranny of Metrics, How to Measure Spiritual Growth, We Focus on What We Measure 26.05.2025

In this conversation, Graeme and Joey discuss how there are many things we cannot quantifiably measure in the church and that we need to use judgement when consulting numbers. Much of their think is derived from "The Tyranny of Metrics" by Jerry Muller. 00:00 Teaser 02:20 Introduction 4:00 Gen Z Christians are Growing | Bible Society UK 18:10 Political Will is Gone 20:00 The Tyranny of M...

Misunderstanding church & spiritual growth, you are a priest, people knowing you're Christian 12.05.2025

In this conversation, Graeme and Joey clarify and elaborate on their conversation with Andrew Root. The conversation delves into the role of Christians in society, emphasizing the importance of identifying oneself as a Christian in various settings. Joey and Graeme discuss the concept of being a "royal priesthood," traversing two worlds, and the need for Christians to be visible and pres...

Andrew Root | Stabilising Discipleship and Churches, Prayer as Key Competency, Despair & Evangelism 28.04.2025

In this episode, Graeme and Joey have a brilliant conversation with Dr Andrew Root as they discuss a humanising approach to evangelism, the digital space and discipleship, what the key competency of a pastor should be, growth as modernity's stabiliser, and much more! Andrew Root, PhD (Princeton Theological Seminary) is the Carrie Olson Baalson Professor of Youth and Family Ministry at Luther...

Rev. Frank Ritchie | People Want Irrelevant Churches, Rediscovering Tradition, Culture and Media 14.04.2025

In this episode of Lunch on The Way, Rev. Frank Ritchie discusses how places and spaces of worship hold our spirituality when we can't muster it up, his various experiences with different religions and expressions of the Christian faith, how and why Holy Communion is so important for the church, why wearing a clerical collar matters for pastors, how the media are open to Christianity, and why...

Ministry and its Irresistible Call, People Matter More Than ... with Louise Wernich 31.03.2025

Graeme and Joey welcome Louise to the podcast and discuss Louise's journey into ministry and her families immigration to New Zealand from South Africa, the impact of COVID on the South African church and her family, how a call to ministry can't be ignored, Graeme's call into ministry, reflections on pastoring more than 20 decades, how business-church forgets about the people (ironic...

Visited a NEW Mormon Temple, Architecture is Theology, Reflecting on Mark Sayers Convo 17.03.2025

In this conversation, Graeme and Joey discuss Joey's experience at Auckland's new Mormon Temple, how architecture reveals a church's/religion's theology, the craziness of the world, how Canada and US relations is a microcosm of the disruption the world will feel, and much more. Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington. The opinions expressed in this...

Mark Sayers | Future Predictions, The Worlds Changed, America's Chaos, Being a Pillar is Dangerous 02.03.2025

In this conversation, Graeme and Joey sit down with Mark Sayers and discuss what Mark learned about ministry during the Melbourne lockdowns, why embodied ministry matters so much, how proceduralism has blunted the church's mission, how the church needs to be a pillar rather than a platform in the world, how everything is politically changing in the world, transcendence and immanence, what is...

AJ Thomas | Is Preaching a Sacrament? Is Jesus Really in the Eucharist? 16.02.2025

In this episode, Joey and Graeme interview AJ Thomas, who is one of the teaching and preaching pastors at Kings Church in New Brunswick, Canada. He also leads the Atlantic Kingdom Alliance which aims to bring together pastors and ministry leader from diverse theological and denominational background for the advancement of the gospel. They discussed his journey from youth ministry to church plantin...

Deconstructing Faith, Truth as Relationship, Trusting your Gut (whole over parts) 26.01.2025

In this conversation the guys explores the concept of faith deconstruction and truth, emphasizing the importance of a holistic view of life. Many people deconstruct not Christianity but specific expressions or packaged forms of it, often driven by personal experiences and dissatisfaction with rigid, mechanistic approaches. They highlight the need for a synthesized understanding of truth that inclu...

CELEBRATING 50 EPs, Christmas Issues, Traditions Matter, Season 4 Expectations 18.12.2024

Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington. The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.

A fully alive human is the glory of God, is the church helping us be more/less human? 08.12.2024

This week Graeme, Jonathan, and Joey discussed what it means to be human and how the church is the place that helps people become fully alive in Christ. This conversation centres on a Saint Irenaeus quote, "the glory of God is a human being fully alive." We discuss the importance of balancing transcendence, materiality, relationships, and freedom, arguing that modern society's overe...

SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT (Joey), What's the purpose of church? Critiquing the formation movement 27.10.2024

In this episode Jonathan, Graeme, and Joey announce something big, critique the current formation movement as a potentially falling into legalism, how to live with wisdom on the formation journey, catching the "wind" of the Spirit, and the importance of churches being an alternative space to the frameworks and realities of the world. This episode is a mixture of many different topics, bu...

The Endlessly Toxic Pursuit of MORE! Adjusting Our Assumptions of Church, the Mission of God, the goal of growth, and more 06.10.2024

In this episode, Jonathan, Graeme, Joey break open a controversial topic relating to church growth and the pursuit of more. They undercover insights only someone who cares not for the consequences of thinking and questioning can unearth. Therefore, the listener needs to approach this conversation with the best of intentions; assuming the guys are love Jesus, the church, and what God to rule on ear...

Clint Ussher | Current difficulties and opportunities for the church, Church planting in NZ, Overcoming "success" identity, 22.09.2024

In this conversation, Graeme and Joey sit down with Rev. Dr. Clint Ussher who leads The Well in Christchurch, NZ and the Centre for Church Leadership. It was an open and honest conversation about church planting, identity in Christ, what pastors are sensing in New Zealand, and much more. Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington. The opinions expressed in this podcast ar...

Horrible Tensions in Ministry and Life ... or are they good? 17.09.2024

In this conversation, Jonathan and Joey tease out the tensions we manage within the church and as we follow Jesus. 00:00 Introduction 00:42 Tensions are not problems to be solved 6:11 Theological tensions to manage 10:05 Slacklining as a metaphor for tension 12:07 More tensions or prayer, salvation, and more 15:10 TENSION 1: Doing vs Theological Reflection 24:29 TENSION 2: Popular Voices vs Local...

How to Hear God's Voice, Discerning Big Decisions, Problems with Being Certain 11.08.2024

In this episode the guys talk about their experience of listening to God's voice and what that means for them, some of the problematic aspects of claiming you've heard from God, and a way forward to better discern God's voice during big decisions. Email lunchontheway@gmail.com 00:00 Introduction 00:42 Catching up on life 03:20 Our experiences with hearing God's voice 14:52 Hone...

A Complex Conversation on Power, Christian Leadership, and Jesus's Example of Power 14.07.2024

In this episode, Graeme, Jonathan, and Joey discuss the cultural obsession with power and attempt to rebalance the conversation, pointing to Jesus as the example of what to do with the power you have. Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington. The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs...

Critical Incidents & How to Think Theologically & Reflectively for Positive Change 07.07.2024

In this episode, Joey and Graeme discuss the importance of theological reflection in moments of crisis. They cover how to think well during critical incidents, what is critical thinking and theological reflection, the importance of crisis, why COVID was a crisis for the church, getting deeper and not more pragmatic, the issues the church is forced to wrestle with, being okay with uncomfortable que...

Will AI Make Us Dumb? Theology and What it Means to Be Human, Meaning in a Automated Future 23.06.2024

In this conversation, the guys talk about Graeme trip to the US as a delivered a paper at the Media Ecology Conference. 00:00 Introduction 02:30 Graeme at the Media Ecology Conference 07:58 Graeme's Experience of AMERICA 14:30 Is AI and Tech Bad? 24:40 Why a Theological-Anthropology Matters 34:50 How do we Know Who we are? 38:30 Having a Relationship with AI 45:30 Will AI make critical thinki...

Sam Burrows | The Meta-crisis in Education, with our youth, and what can be done about it 03.06.2024

Lunch on The Way is a podcast that deeply discusses Christianity, Church, Culture, and Jesus. Available on ALL podcast platforms https://lunchontheway.buzzsprout.com/share In this episode the guys bring back Sam Burrows to talk more about the meta-crisis with our youth (03:02), with education (11:50), wha the meta-crisis is (14:12), a way of answering it (17:00), who Ayaan Hirsi Ali is (21:22), th...

Metaphors are Reality-Shaping, our BEST Conversation Yet | Horrible, Good, and Intriguing Metaphors for Humans 28.04.2024

In this conversation, Jonathan, Graeme, and Joey discuss the good, bad, and intriguing metaphors that shape our understanding of the world, church, and our humanity. They discuss how metaphors create realities (03:30), what a metaphor is (06:10), the problematic metaphors were us as Christians (09:30), how metaphors reveal what we desire (19:30), how metaphors guide the church but should be clearl...

Dr Clare Knowles | Bible Translations that shouldn't be read, Bible Society NZ's work 14.04.2024

In this conversation, Graeme and Joey sit down with Dr. Clare Knowles who is a translation coordinator at Bible Society NZ. We discuss what Bible Society NZ is (12:42), the work Clare is currently doing with the Tokelauan Bible (14:18), cultural contextualisation and the Bible (22:50), the relationship between translation and interpretation (33:23), the ambitious sign-language project (43:18), the...

Frameworks for Evangelism, Habit Forming vs Spirit Forming, is Evangelism for Everyone? 17.03.2024

Lunch on The Way is a podcast that deeply discusses Christianity, Church, Culture, and Jesus. Available on ALL podcast platforms https://lunchontheway.buzzsprout.com/share In this conversation, Jonathan and Joey weave between two main topics but begin with discussion discarding dualism (03:30), how liturgy straightens the soul like a piece of bent wood (06:53), whether we can really change through...

A "Dialogue" with Carey Nieuwhof, Church Shifts and Necessary Moves 10.03.2024

In this conversation, Graeme and Joey discuss Carey Nieuwhof's latest Auckland, NZ church leadership and trends discussion but add their own thoughts to his "shifts" and "moves." They discuss how NZ church is 10yrs ahead of North America (3:08), online church possibly reaching unchurched people (10:38), people seeing us more than God (33:13), dissatisfaction with mirroring...

Problems with Business-Church, Believing yet Not Believing, the Existential Mirror We Can't See 03.03.2024

Lunch on The Way is a podcast that deeply discusses Christianity, Church, Culture, and Jesus. Available on ALL podcast platforms https://lunchontheway.buzzsprout.com/share In this conversation the guys get honest and discuss last week's LIVE RECORDING (00:31), whether current trends and changing are going to stick in churches (07:03), if business methodology and church needs a new critical ey...

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