Life After MLM

On April 11th, the MLM Modere, who had been in business for over 23 years, shocked it's reps and shut it doors unexpectedly. That same day, I got a text from Maile, letting me know that since Modere was gone, she was finally free to tell her story and share the secrets she knew about the company. In this juicy tell all we talk about some of the more outrageous special perks top reps received and s...

Part 2 of our episode with Kelli gets into the nitty gritty of what's been happening at Arieyl. As one of the only people at corporate who never signed an NDA, Kelli has a lot to say about what went on when she was there, and answers some of the rumors that have been shared with me anonymously. Plus, an update to what's been found in several products that shouldn't be there. Show Notes Softer Stre...

*Content Warning! This episode deals with traumatic themes of trafficking, sexual allegations and spiritual abuse. Please use caution when listening.* In Part 1 of our 2 part story, we meet Kelli and hear her testimony of her time in a corporate position at the MLM Arieyl. As a founding member, Kelli saw and experienced more than her fair share of questionable behavior, and she wanted to come clea...

Three years ago Bridget Read reached out to me to talk about my experiences in AntiMLM Advocacy for a book she was writing at the time. Today Bridget is here to talk about that very book, Little Bosses Everywhere, which comes out May 6th! In our chat we discuss the early days of the Health and Wellness industry, MLMs, and Amway's connections to American government. Show Notes Connect with Bridget!...

We've got another MLM Mini Dive with Julie today! This time it's Youngevity, the MLM with my favorite stupid name! If you've been following the Epicure drama you may have heard rumors of it being sold to Youngevity, and Julie is here to tell us what she knows about it. We also talk about the beginnings of the company, and how deeply connected to other MLMs it is. If you like the Min Dive episodes,...

Whew! We've got a doozy with today's episode! We're joined by Jen McIntyre, a former rep for Epicure who's got an inside look into the failed MLM. As one of the first American consultants, Jen saw A LOT of things that rubbed her the wrong way, and she couldn't wait to share the second the went under. AND! Since recording this episode in February, Epicure is under new ownership in the shadiest of w...

In today's episode, Mr. F joins us to chat about the future of health and wellness trends and the closing of the MLM Modere. Plus, Nandi returns to share her experiences using Nutrilite products during her time in Amway, and some of the more ridiculous products in their lineup. Show Notes Nutrilite Wiki NSF International Amway Farms Blue Light Vitamins for Eyes (Amazon) Nutrilite Products Out of M...

Cassandra was working in a gym when she tried Zyia leggings for the first time. With a built in customer base and a background in sales, she decided to jump into the company and see what she could make of it. Like most of us who join pyramid schemes, she didn't gain the financial freedom she was promised, but that didn't stop her from bouncing from MLM to MLM until she finally opened her eyes. Sho...

*Content Warning : This episode deals with eating disorders and disordered eating. Please use discretion when listening.* After many successful years on a popular weight loss program, corporate changes lead Katie to no longer seeing the results she wanted. As a marathon runner, Katie always been physically active, until a spinal surgery left her unable to exercise at all. After gaining more weight...

Have you ever heard that some MLMs are willable businesses, that you can pass down to your children so they can inherit your income? Have you ever wondered what that meant and if there was any legitimacy to those claims, or if it was just another MLM lie? Today we have Tasha, an attorney who focuses on estate planning and estate administration, including trust administration and probate, to answer...

*Content Warning: This episode deals with Toxic Diet Culture and mentions disordered eating and orthorexia. Please use caution when listening.* When I first put out a call to action for this season's main theme of Health and Wellness, SO MANY of you reached out and told me that I needed to chat with Jen Borruso. Not only is Jen now a Personal Trainer & Nutrition Coach, but she used to be a Bea...

Today Platinum Chelsea joins us to talk about the newest MLM in pre-pre-launch, FermaGlo. It's a fun MLM Mini Dive episode loaded with nonsense, zoom calls, sound effects, deep speculation, professional advice and an AI song singing FermaGlo's praises. Jump in, grab yourself a snack and a drink and be prepared to learn everything we know about the fermented plant beauty product MLM FermaGlo so far...

Mariah spent almost her entire 20's in Amway, in a pyramid filled with family members. Throughout their time in LTD, Mariah and her husband faced a multitude of health and wellness struggles including miscarriage, an emergency bowel restructuring, and a scary mystery illness and diagnosis. The most common denominator? Amway. Show Notes Adverse reaction to a dietary supplement in an elderly patient...

Samantha started using Young Living Essential Oils because she believed they would be a safer alternative to mainstream household cleaners and products. She quickly found herself with a shelf full of EO vials and deeply immersed in the #oilylife, throwing away all the "negative" products and replacing them with Young Living dupes. As she built a team, she began to understand the gamification of ML...

In our first ever podcast based MLM Mini Dive, Julie Anderson is here to help us understand the new MLM Make Wellness and some of it's shadier history. If you've been haggled about "BioActive Precision Peptides" this is the episode for you, and while you're listening, go ahead and send it to 3 friends who need to hear it too. This episode also features audio from actual public videos posted by Mak...

Who doesn't love a good and juicy MLM story about the dangers of dating in your downline? Now add Amway to the mix, and we've got a hilariously honest and vulnerable origin story about Matt and his wife Tracey, and all the sick mind games the IBOs in LTD played with them along the way. It's been over 16 years since they've relived some of these stories, so thanks for taking us on this journey and...

Because we're focusing a bit more on the Health and Wellness MLMs this year, we've got an educational episode for you today. Folks on the neurodivergent spectrum tend to get targeted often by MLMs offering anecdotal promises of cures and quick fixes, so it felt important to provide empathy and context. When we're deep in MLM, we often don't take a second to really understand someone's journey and...

Have you ever experienced FOMO? It's the "Fear of Missing Out" and it often plays a large part in the MLM experiences. Today's guest Lindsay is no exception to MLM FOMO and wanted to share her story of her time in Senegence. From using the large Facebook group she managed as a sales pool, to realizing that everything she experienced was dripping with manipulation, Lindsay has a lot of regrets and...

In the fall of 2024, the MLM world was rocked when Beachbody/BODi announced they were dropping the MLM aspect and going affiliate. Our guest, Joline Atkins was there to witness every rise and fall in her 14 year stint with the company. From nearly ruining her family vacation hitting 5 Star Diamond, to simply asking too many questions, Joline ethically struggled and made decisions she wasn't proud...

On January 5th, 2025, we lost our friend Mike Rinder to his battle with esophageal cancer. Mike was a friend of the pod, fierce fighter again coercive control and abuse, and a advocate for all cult survivors. The legacy he built will live on and continue to help and inspire survivors to come. We will miss you Mike! COBSCOHB From the Vault! December 2022: *Content Warning : We do talk a bit about t...

Happy 2025! Enjoy this collection of the Best of 2024, hand picked by yours truly and you, the listeners! Enjoy! Show Notes Full episodes of all our 2024 clips below! Shanny Payton Sandy Rusk Sarah Rathbun Nick Thompson Dr. Amy Saltzman, MD Don Martin Apostate Alex Chris Shelton Marc & Claire Headley Hannah Alonzo Kurtis Waldron Ginger & Michael Robyn Hyer Cristie Stogner Stefan & Jenn...

Happy Holidays from the Triple Diamond Team at Life After MLM! Here is a fun collections of outtakes and bloopers that happened in 2024 behind the scenes of the podcast. From tangents with guests, to uncontrollable interruptions, enjoy the chaos that happens behind your favorite episodes and thank you for making 2024 our best year yet! Show Notes Out of MLM The BITE Model LAMLM Book Club MLM Dupes...

Merry Christmas Huns! We've got a bit of Holiday Magic brewing with a special Yuletide episode, filled with all the themes we've come to love over here at Life After MLM; Cultiness, Evangelical Christianity, and Amway. Meet Hope Kraal, who as a former WWDB IBO has a lot to say about World Wide Dream Builders and Amway, including how they use faith manipulation, deceit, the patriarchy to get ahead....

DeAnne was just looking for a job online when she ran across a posting for what seemed like a legit marketing and sales position. What she actually found was an office for Smart Circle, an MLM where she would be selling discount coupons, door-to-door. In our chat we talk how Smart Circle is slightly different from traditional MLMs, what red flags to look out for when job hunting and how even when...

Dr. Mara Einstein is an internationally recognized expert on deceptive marketing tactics who I had the pleasure of meeting at the MLM Conference. After working for a decade in corporate marketing for some of the biggest names in the business (MTV, NBC, Miller Beer), she left for academia, motivated by a desire to pull back the curtain on consumerism’s dark side with the goal to persuade companies...