Leading Second Podcast

Being “all in” for your pastor and the church is foundational to being a Second Chair Leader. Todd Mullins and Dave Simiele from Christ Fellowship Church in Florida share how being strong in the vision of your lead pastor shapes how you lead others in the pastor’s vision for the church. This discussion calls each Second Chair Leader up to be the leader God has called them to be. Find the episode g...

Everything communicates. To be a strong communicator is to be a strong leader. Omar El-Takrori, the Community Pastor at City Light Church in Las Vegas, NV, brings incredible insight into how we can grow in our communication knowledge and confidence. Brandon, Jesse Rodriguez, the Location Pastor at the Yakima, WA, location for Champion Centre, and Stephanie Blanton, the Central Campus Pastor at Fre...

John and Dr. Anna Morgan from Word of Life Church in Springfield, VA dive into what it is to be a Second Chair Leader through the eyes of former Second Chair Leaders who are now First Chair Leaders. They bring honest and Biblical truths to how we are called to walk out what God has called us to do. Find the episode guides at leadingsecond.com/podcast

Brandon, Joshua Bingle, Lead Pastor at Genesis Church in Spokane, WA, and Kyle Heinecke, Campus Pastor at Fresh Life Church in Kalispell, MT sit down with Nathan Finochio to discuss walking in your calling while still serving under your leader. Find the episode guides at leadingsecond.com/podcast

Brandon spends some time with Levi Lusko, founder and lead pastor of Fresh Life Church, discussing several topics to help Second Chair Leaders understand some aspects of leadership and ministry that lead pastors wished their team knew. Find the episode guides at leadingsecond.com/podcast

Brandon and Lindsay Stewart take us through their thoughts on family, peer relationships, nonnegotiables, and ways to renew. Dillon Ritchie from CoastLife Church in Venice, FL, facilitates the discussions of different aspects of ministry and how the Leading Second leaders walk through the varying aspects of ministry. Joining the panel are Matt and Jennifer Martin from NorthRock Church in San Anton...

Pastor Lee Wilson, the founder of Lee Wilson Ministries, fires us up about God’s vision for our lives. With the help of Pastor Tracy Keene from StrongPoint Church in Columbus, OH, and Dillon Ritchie from CoastLife Church in Venice, FL, Brandon dives into what it looks like to manage the tensions between the vision we serve under and the vision we are carrying. Find the episode guides at leadingsec...

In this episode, Brandon sits down with Temi Pope, the Senior Executive Pastor at Union Church, and breaks down how she works to stay in tune and stand in for her pastors. Through practical examples, Temi and Brandon walk through how to stand in for your pastor to help move the mission of the Church forward.

We’re back with another installment of our conversation with Les McKeown. He is the President and CEO of Predictable Success and a consultant to companies and many different levels. In the Last episode, we talked about moving from a start-up to a scaling phase in your organization. Jennifer Martin from NorthRock Church in San Antonio, TX, joins us once again as we talk more about scaling, what Les...

In this episode, we are talking with Les McKeown, the President and CEO of Predictable Success. In his consulting work, he works with CEOs, Fortune 500 companies, and down on how to achieve scaleable and sustainable growth in an organization. He’s the author of four books, and he leads an organization of consultants. With the help of Jennifer Martin from NorthRock Church in San Antonio, TX, we wil...

There’s a tension in being under authority while also being called to lead others. Culture can pull at us to see the authority we are led by as “the problem” rather than the sin we each possess. Joshua Bingle, Lead Pastor at Genesis Church in Spokane, WA, and Michael Whittle, Pastor at C3LA in Los Angeles and founder of Vast Media, bring some critical insight into how we are called to see and hono...

Nate Puccini, the Executive Pastor at Substance Church in Minneapolis, Minnesota, discussed his walk to returning to the Church, his views on serving, and how to focus your life to see God and your pastor. Through his story, the relationship between Jonathan and David, and some real talk about walking out the call on our lives, we get to learn how to refocus our perspective on serving and leading....

The Year of the Leader is here. Welcome to Season 6 of the Leading Second Podcast. On this season opening episode, Brandon sits down with Larry Brey (Elevation Church) to talk through leadership development. They dive deep into how to be intentional in your development as a leader and how important it is to have people in your life to help you walk out what you learn. Find the episode guides at le...

We begin 2023 with the honor of hearing from three strong, wise, and insightful Second Chair Leaders. We’re joined by Kyle Heinecke, Campus Pastor at Fresh Life Church, Kalispell, MT; Jennifer Martin, Executive Pastor of Ministries at NorthRock Church in San Antonio, TX; and Dillon Ritchie, Ministry Executive Director at CoastLife Church in Venice, FL. This is the Year of the Leader at Leading Sec...

In what has become a bit of a tradition for the Leading Second Podcast, we are closing out our season with one last conversation at the end of the year in hopes of fueling the start of your next year! Few topics are more important to Lindsay and me than family and ministry. Getting this wrong is one of the quickest ways to be taken out, so we wanted to break down some of our top rhythms for this.

“Why we should have left, why we choose to stay.” That is in Natalie Runion’s Instagram bio, and that is what her heart is for any time you hear her speak or, more likely, read the words she has written. You probably know her as “Raised to Stay,” but she started with a passion for seeing people go the distance in ministry. She joins me to have a conversation about church hurt.

For this conversation, I have the pleasure of talking with Jonathan Moore, Matt Martin, and Jennifer Martin from NorthRock Church in San Antonio, Texas. They’ve all been together for over ten years now, and longevity in ministry and leadership is one of the most impressive things to me. So the big idea of the conversation is simple. Why did you stay?

It’s our final conversation in this series of things that will take you out of ministry, and we’re back with the team from The Well in Salt Lake City. We are called to be good stewards of what we’ve been given. With the help of Jason Parrish, Seth Freeman, and Kaisa Freeman, we talk through how we can do that and unlock some things in our leadership and ministry with core competencies.

The longer you’re in ministry, the higher the chance you’ll face some things that could take you out. But knowing what they are can make all the difference in how you respond when they do come. This conversation is with Jason Parrish, Seth Freeman, and Kaisa Freeman from The Well in Salt Lake City, Utah. We’re talking about doctrinal and theological congruence. Those are some big words with a big...

Spend enough time in ministry, and you will face some things that have the potential to take you out of leadership and ministry altogether. Jason Warman and Trevor and Laydi Ritchie from CoastLife Church join us again. This time we shift our focus and have a needed conversation on character identity and formation.

The title of this conversation and series may sound strong, but it should. If you spend enough time in ministry, you will face things that have the potential to take you out of leadership and ministry altogether. Jason Warman, Trevor Ritchie, and Laydi Ritchie from CoastLife Church join us to focus on cultural alignment and congruence.

This conversation is a continuation of the conversation we had with our Lead Pastor panel last week, but this time is with second chair leaders from those same churches! Dave and Sarah Nelson from The Well, Girly Gordon from The Movement OC, and Jeff Hanson from One Place Church chase down the same big idea that their pastors did. "The better the relationship between the first and second chair, th...

For this conversation, I am sitting down with a group of lead pastors as they give us a unique perspective into the head and heart of our own pastors. Jason Parrish from The Well, Carey & Meghan Robinson from The Movement OC, and Pace Hartfield from One Place Church, join me. We discuss the idea that the better the relationship between the first and second chair, the more aligned our teams will be...

In the spirit of opening registration for Camp, this conversation is with our great friend Larry Brey. He is the unofficial cohost for our event and his voice has been a pillar of this tribe. Today we are talking about developing a leadership culture. What is culture, where does it come from, and how do we multiply it? We’re tackling all of that today.

We are joined by James Crocker and Michael Whittle, from C3 Los Angeles. The conversation gets a little spicy, talking about Godly authority, submission, and how to get it right. They share some great wisdom on the topic and give a beautiful picture of what biblical submission under authority looks like in our lives and talk about the benefits that come with it.