Jacob Robinson
Law of Code
Understand the legal layer of emerging technology. Conversations with top lawyers, regulators, and entrepreneurs on the laws and policy decisions shaping our future.
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Episodes
#140 - SAFEs, SAFTs and what's market for crypto startups with Nick Pullman 22.07.2024 1:07:22
Nick Pullman (@ NickPullmanEsq ) is Corporate Counsel and founder of Day One Law Corporation, where he provides legal solutions for tech startups and investors. Nick was previously head of legal at an NFT startup and an associate at Cooley and DLA Piper. In this conversation, we cover: [2:53] Nick's introduction to Bitcoin [7:33] What's market: SAFEs, SAFTs [19:39] Other methods of raising...
#139 - Changing political tides in DC, Consensys' SEC lawsuit with Bill Hughes 13.06.2024 50:03
Bill Hughes (@ BillHughesDC ) is Senior Counsel & Director of Global Regulatory Matters at Consensys Software, which is behind MetaMask, Infura, and various other software supporting the programmable blockchain ecosystem. For more on Bill’s background, I recommend episode 74 of Law of Code . This conversation is focused on the lawsuit Consensys brought in Texas federal court . Show highlights:...
#138 - The future of sports and crypto: Karate Combat 24.05.2024 42:32
This conversation with two lawyers — Samir Patel and David Kuhn — and an entrepreneur who goes by OnlyLarping covers all aspects of Karate Combat, a novel form of sports league that is betting heavily on crypto. Show highlights: [2:51] What is Karate Combat? [7:26] Implementing token governance [13:11] Crypto and sports [19:34] Why they believe it is not gambling [32:49] Plans for Consensus 2024 &...
#137 - Blockchain Association sues the SEC to strike down Dealer Rule 21.05.2024 38:45
Recently, the Blockchain Association (BA) and the Crypto Freedom Alliance of Texas (CFAT) filed a lawsuit against the Securities and Exchange Commission seeking a court order to strike down the SEC’s Dealer Rule due to the SEC’s various Administrative Procedure Act (APA) violations including preventing industry participants from being able to operate under clearly communicated rules and a lack of...
#136 - Justin Wales on the Crypto Legal Handbook 22.04.2024 47:16
Justin Wales (@bitcoin_wales) is the Head of Legal for the Americas at Crypto.com. Before going in-house, he was a partner at the international law firm K&L Gates, where he represented crypto companies in all aspects of their business. His new book, The Crypto Legal Handbook , is a must-read guide through the laws of crypto, web3 and an ever-decentralizing world. I had an opportunity to read...
#135 - Everything you should know about Roman Sterlingov's case 17.04.2024 51:09
Today’s podcast covers the case of Roman Sterlingov, a 33-year-old Swedish-Russian national, was arrested by Internal Revenue Service criminal investigators at the Los Angeles airport and was accused of creating and operating Bitcoin Fog, a bitcoin “mixing” service that the US Justice Department claims Sterlingov used to enable $336 million in money laundering. I’m joined by J.W. Verret, an Associ...
#134 - Pre-enforcement lawsuit against the SEC with Amanda Tuminelli and Jake Chervinsky 15.04.2024 29:23
The DeFi Education Fund and co-plaintiff Beba, an apparel company based in Texas, recently filed a pre-enforcement suit challenging the SEC’s regulation by enforcement approach to crypto and their policy that free airdrops are securities transactions. Amanda Tuminelli serves as the DeFi Education Fund's chief legal officer where she leads the organization's impact litigation and policy eff...
#133 - Liability on smart contract developers: Roman Storm case with Jake Chervinsky and Amanda Tuminelli 14.04.2024 27:34
After the DEF submitted an amicus brief in the Roman Storm matter, which involves Tornado Cash, I spoke with the two authors: Amanda Tuminelli serves as the DeFi Education Fund's chief legal officer where she leads the organization's impact litigation and policy efforts. Jake Chervinsky recently joined Variant as Chief Legal Officer, where he leads the firm's legal team, and works clos...
#132 - What is MetaLeX? Plus, why lawyers must take note 29.03.2024 54:49
Co-founded by longtime cryptolawyers Gabriel Shapiro and Alex Golubitsky, the mission of MetaLeX (which means beyond law) is to combine legal structures and autonomous tech to create best-in-class solutions serving DAOs, devs, and internet denizens with a suite of interoperable autonomous law solutions, which they refer to as MetaLeX OS. The goal is a bold one: Separate law from nation-states in a...
#131 - Is UNI a security after Uniswap turns on the fee switch? EU and MiCA insights from Stephane Daniel 15.03.2024 50:22
Stéphane Daniel ( @stephdan_law ) is a Partner at d&a partners, an independent law firm dedicated to tech and blockchain entrepreneurs in France and the EU. Stéphane advises high-tech firms with their structuring, fundraising, and M&A transactions. He was notably involved in the first legal structuring (under French law) of DAOs and regularly advises companies on equity, debt, token, or hy...
#130 - Chris Giancarlo, former CFTC Chair on the SEC's approach to crypto 04.03.2024 1:20:19
Chris Giancarlo (@ giancarloMKTS ) is senior counsel and Co-Chair of the Willkie Digital Works practice in the firm’s New York office. Chris served as the thirteenth Chairman of the U.S. CFTC, where he oversaw regulation of the futures, options and swaps derivatives markets. During his tenure at the CFTC (2014-2019), Chris oversaw the first bitcoin futures products entering the marketplace. He’s a...
#129 - Why is the same risk, same rules philosophy wrong? Eric Hess explains 27.02.2024 39:03
Eric Hess (@ hess_legal ) is Founder & Managing Counsel at Hess Legal Counsel, a cybersecurity SaaS platform and consulting company, and hosts The Encrypted Economy podcast. In this episode, we’ll be exploring his recent paper Bridging Policy and Practice: A Pragmatic Approach to Decentralized Finance, Risk, and Regulation . For Part 1, a history of securities regulation in the US, see our pri...
#128 - Primavera De Filippi of CNRS and Harvard on the future of copyright law, NFTs and DAOs 22.02.2024 47:54
Primavera De Filippi is a Director of Research at the National Center of Scientific Research (CNRS) in Paris, Faculty Associate at the Berkman Klein Center for Internet & Society at Harvard University, and Visiting Fellow at the Robert Schuman Centre for Advanced Studies at the European University Institute. Her research focuses on the legal challenges and opportunities of blockchain technolog...
#127 - Cravath's Jeff Dinwoodie on the SEC and the future of crypto regulation 11.02.2024 1:08:35
Jeffrey T. Dinwoodie is a partner at Cravath, Swaine & Moore, and a member of the firm’s Financial Institutions Group. He has served in senior roles at the SEC and the U.S. Treasury Department, including as Chief Counsel to SEC Chairman Jay Clayton and, earlier, as Chairman Clayton’s Trading and Markets Counsel. Disclaimer: Jacob Robinson and his guests are not your lawyer. Nothing herein or m...
#126 - Genuine DeFi as Critical Infrastructure: Paper by Rebecca Rettig, Michael Mosier and Katja Gilman 30.01.2024 46:45
Rebecca Rettig, Michael Mosier and Katja Gilman published their paper, Genuine DeFi as Critical Infrastructure: A Conceptual Framework for Combating Illicit Finance Activity in Decentralized Finance and a summary two-pager. This paper proposes a framework (see Section III) to effectively detect, deter and prevent illicit financial activity in DeFi, while preserving the technology as permissionless...
#125 - Repost: Coinbase's Motion to Dismiss the SEC's Lawsuit 30.01.2024 52:06
On August 4, 2023, Coinbase filed a brief in support of its motion to dismiss the SEC's lawsuit. This podcast provides an audio version of the brief, along with key takeaways and points made within it. Show highlights: [1:00] Preliminary Statement [6:30] Background on the SEC's charges [11:30] Coinbase's argument for dismissal [13:00] Because the complaint alleges no contractual under...
#124 - Former CFTC Director Josh Sterling on choosing regulators (SEC vs CFTC) and the future of Web3 29.01.2024 39:13
Joshua B. Sterling is a Partner at Jones Day where he represents financial services, energy, fintech, agriculture and other companies in matters before the CFTC, the SEC, and other financial regulators. A former senior regulator, Josh was previously the Director of the CFTC’s Market Participants Division. In that role, he oversaw the 3,300 financial firms worldwide registered with the CFTC to part...
#123 - The SEC vs. Coinbase Hearing: What you should know with Bloomberg's Elliott Stein 24.01.2024 41:24
Elliott Z. Stein (@ NYCStein ) is a Senior Litigation Analyst at Bloomberg Intelligence. He previously worked in private practice on structured finance/capital markets litigation, white-collar crime and related capital markets matters. Show highlights: [1:30] Attending Coinbase hearing on Jan 17 [6:00] Why Elliott expects Coinbase to win [12:00] Judge Failla's concern with the SEC's positi...
#122 - History of American Securities Regulation with Eric Hess 15.11.2023 1:07:59
Eric Hess (@ hess_legal ) is Founder & Managing Counsel at Hess Legal Counsel, a cybersecurity SaaS platform and consulting company, and hosts The Encrypted Economy podcast. Eric has over twenty years of experience acting as senior in-house counsel, general counsel or senior management for exchanges, broker dealers, and financial services technology providers. In this episode, we’ll be explori...
#121 - MEV and OFAC Risk for Infrastructure Providers 13.11.2023 50:34
Evan Zinaman (@ zin_esq ) is the Founder & Principal at Trailbreak, a boutique transactional firm providing tech-fluent corporate, regulatory, product and IP counsel and strategic advice to startups, builders and investors throughout the crypto space. Evan also serves as special crypto counsel to clients of Reed Smith, advising as part of an industry-spanning, global blockchain group that he h...
#120 - Paradigm's Policy Lab with Rodrigo Seira and Brandon Malone 06.11.2023 56:14
Rodrigo Seira (@ RSSH273 ) is Special Counsel at Paradigm. Prior to joining Paradigm, he was outside counsel to crypto investors and entrepreneurs at Cooley LLP. Brendan Malone (@ brendanpmalone ) is a Policy Manager at Paradigm. Prior to joining Paradigm, Brendan worked at the Federal Reserve where he focused on policy issues for financial market infrastructures. Rodrigo and Brendan launched the...
#119 - Reviewing the EU's MiCA with William O’Rorke 30.10.2023 57:09
William O’Rorke (@williamororke) is the Founding Partner of ORWL, a leading law firm assisting clients with businesses in the crypto space, VASPs and general Web3 services. He leads the regulatory practice at ORWL and is the head of the legal committee at ADAN, a French crypto association. In this conversation, we discuss the most significant impacts MiCA will have on projects in the crypto space,...
#118 - Crypto Taxes, NFT Settlements and Decentralization with Zach Rosenberg 10.10.2023 59:09
Zach Rosenberg (@ MeatEsq ) is an attorney and principal at Rosehill Legal, a boutique transactional firm assisting early-stage founders, largely in the crypto space, with structuring, funding, building, and deploying products and networks. He previously worked as an M&A Tax Director at PWC where he spent eight years advising large private equity firms and public company clients on large acqui...
#117 - Ryne Miller on the CFTC's DeFi Settlements and the history of Gary Gensler 02.10.2023 58:24
Ryne Miller is the founder and managing partner of Miller Strategic Partners LLP, a law firm specializing in: 1. Regulatory advice and investigations counsel for the traditional trading and markets industry; 2. Regulatory and strategic advice for digital asset and blockchain companies; and 3. Crisis and incident response management. Ryne was previously General Counsel at FTX US, a Partner at Sulli...
#116 - Discussing Coinbase's L2 (Base) and FriendTech with Jolie Yang 29.09.2023 59:00
Jolie Yang (@ JolieYang ) is a former legal partner to Coinbase's product, engineering, and design teams on its Web3 initiatives, such as self-custodial wallet, decentralized identity, digital assets, as product counsel. While at Coinbase, Jolie was part of the team that launched Base. Prior to Coinbase, Jolie was an attorney at Davis Polk and Skadden, Arps. Show highlights: [4:00] Working on...
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