Norm Pattis
Law and Legitimacy
Law, politics, crime, and culture—in a word, "conflict". If you have trouble telling the good guys from the bad guys, Law and Legitimacy is your podcast. Norm Pattis is a trial and appellate lawyer focused on criminal defense and constitutional rights. Norm is also a long-time newspaper columnist and the owner of one of New England's oldest bookstores. A contrarian by nature, he believes that no group is quite so frightening as a self-righteous mob. His objective? To make you think. Welcome to Law and Legitimacy.
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Episodes
LAL Live Part 2: Marc Randazza + Listener Calls (NPS May 3) 04.05.2022 47:10
Norm is joined in the second hour by Marc Randazza, famed first amendment warrior with offices in Las Vegas, Miami, and Gloucester. Not only does Marc know what 'SFX' stands for, but he is the go-to authority on matters of free expression and the assertion of individual rights in the face of government overreach. Norm and Marc dip their toes in the SCOTUS leak waters, talk commerce clause, excep...
LAL Live Part 1: SCOTUS Draft Opinion Leak (NPS May 3) 04.05.2022 47:12
Norm opens the first hour discussing the bombshell revelation that a draft SCOTUS opinion purporting to overturn Roe v. Wade was leaked to the public. Listen to discover the four phases of American constitutional law, the frameworks emanating from federalism and the separation of powers, and the purpose of enshrining a divided government. Have we tinkered too much with the separation of powers? L...
LAL Live Part 2: Jim Nugent + What Is Justice? (NPS May 2) 02.05.2022 47:12
In the second hour of the show, Norm is joined by longtime friend and colleague, and friend of Law and Legitimacy, Jim Nugent. Norm and Jim discuss the nature of civil litigation, notions of justice under the law, and the vanishing trial. Like, rate, and subscribe!
LAL Live Part 1: W. Michael Boyer + Twitter (NPS May 2) 02.05.2022 46:52
Norm makes his debut on terrestrial radio on WICC 600AM 107.3FM. Norm is joined in the first hour by producer of Law and Legitimacy, Michael Boyer, to discuss the theme of legitimacy, the first amendment, and Elon Musk's acquisition of Twitter. Norm takes a call from an attorney and colleague and walks the audience through the legal theory of constructive public trusts. Like, rate, and share!
LAL #069 — Henry Enrique Tarrio: "My God. My Family. My Tribe." 04.02.2022 1:08:49
We're joined this week by the inimitable Dan Hull, Esq., the "Hull" in Hull McGuire PC , and the esteemed D.C.-based defense counsel to Mr. Henry Enrique Tarrio. Mr. Tarrio is a complicated guy with a lot to say. And I believe we may have been among the first beyond his inner circle to be informed of Mr. Tarrio's plan to step down as Chairman of the Proud Boys. As of your listening to this episode...
LAL #057 — J. Daniel "Dan" Hull, Esq. + Who Are The Proud Boys? 19.10.2021 1:05:28
We've officially transitioned to our new podcast platform! And we're eager to begin elevating the Law and Legitimacy experience for each of you who continue to download, listen, rate, and reach out to share your feedback. We are endlessly grateful for your continued support for LAL and we encourage you to tell someone about us! Episode 057 is an interview with J. Daniel Hull of Hull McGuire PC , a...
LAL #056 — Interview with Alex Jones 02.10.2021 53:01
Is there a future for individualism? If you've listened to this podcast for any length of time, you're well-acquainted with my preoccupation with modern America's waning respect for pluralism. According to our guest, there is nothing but a future for individualism. And, yes, our guest on this episode is that Alex Jones. Alex is a friend, a client, a Texan, a Christian, and a patriot. He is perha...
LAL #055 — The Inimitable Jim Nugent: Lawyer, Lector, and Ironman Triathlete 29.09.2021 57:55
Not only does Jim Nugent genuinely love practicing law, he believes that every single person should at least matriculate through law school. Jim is a renowned personal injury attorney anchored in New Haven, Connecticut. And Jim is my best friend. As the title of this episode briefs, Jim is also a Reader in the Catholic Church—the man to whom I give full I credit for arching my path back to the fa...
LAL #054 — The Missing Gabby Petito and the Right to Remain Silent 21.09.2021 22:34
Social media is abuzz just now about the disappearance of Gabby Petito. Why isn't her boyfriend talking to police? Why won't he talk to Gabby's family? Doesn't he have some explaining to do? Yes, and no. Ms. Petito and Brian Laundrie were childhood sweethearts. The couple, in their early 20s, set out on a months-long road trip earlier this summer, hoping to cross the country and visit some of the...
LAL #053 — "Trust and Obey" with W. Michael Boyer 11.09.2021 45:01
Norm is joined by Michael for this topical assessment of the Biden Administration's mandatory vaccine announcement. Norm opens in classic fashion with an extended monologue in which he shares a few bits of heart-warming personal news, the emergent risk to larger businesses in the face of a burgeoning republic of virtue, the mythological interpretation of American history, the primary commitment o...
LAL #052 — Interview with the PR Titan Jay Jessup of Elite Lawyer Management 06.09.2021 1:01:16
Happy Labor Day to you all. I am pleased to present to you, especially the young and hungry lawyers among you, this hour-long conversation with the public relations and management titan for the nation's leading attorneys, Jay Jessup. By and through Elite Lawyer Management , Jay and his co-founder wife, Maggie Jessup, build powerful, high-visibility brands for elite lawyer individuals and elite l...
LAL #051 — "Instant Intimacy": Interview with Chaz of WPLR 99.1 FM 01.09.2021 59:49
Some of you may recognize the name. Others of you may not. I am confident all of you will love this interview. Chaz is most known for being the co-host of the Chaz and AJ in the Morning Show , the Marconi Award-winning radio program holding the title of Connecticut's #1 morning show since 2003. But enough about that. Chaz and I are kindred spirits on what is revealed to be a shared journey ancho...
LAL #050 — Interview with the Esteemed William "Willie" F. Dow, Esq. 24.08.2021 1:05:10
Our guest this week is not only one of Connecticut's most effective and most proven criminal defense lawyers, but one of the finest men I have the privilege of calling a colleague and friend. "Willie" Dow was born on Pearl Harbor Day in 1941 in Stoney Creek, Connecticut. Willie's storied legal career started in an unlikely way, with his commitment to service joining the Peace Corps being a corner...
LAL #049 — The Taliban and the Failure of Western Monism 18.08.2021 23:14
The Taliban erased the work and struggle of two decades of Western influence and state building in Afghanistan this week. It was a collage of what I call globalist monism — the assumption that there can be a universal agreement on global norms capable of governing the world. The collapse carries a warning to the West: Rekindle the traditions that brought you to the world power, or welcome your ow...
LAL #048 — Interview with Attorney Marc Randazza, the First Amendment Juggernaut 15.08.2021 1:03:02
My guest on this episode of Law and Legitimacy is premier First Amendment lawyer, Marc Randazza. Marc's resume speaks for itself. And as you will hear, Marc has been an advocate for individual sovereignty since grade school. We start this interview by tracing his path to prominence in First Amendment advocacy. You'll learn about Marc's genetic predisposition to fail at adapting to military disci...
LAL #047 — Andrew, Andrew, Andrew—You Pussy 11.08.2021 22:06
I guess nothing is sacred any longer in the United States—certainly not elections, legal process, fairness, or the presumption of innocence. In a 165-page report by New York's Attorney General, Andrew Cuomo was accused of a pattern of sexual harassment involving eleven women. The governor denied it, but has now announced his intention to resign from office. Seriously? Were I a New Yorker, I would...
LAL #046 — New York Moves Toward Social Utility Scores 07.08.2021 21:57
This week, New York City Mayor Bill DeBlasio announced a new "Key to NYC Pass" program. Listen to the mayor: "This is a miraculous place literally full of wonders. If you're vaccinated, all that's going to open up to you. But if you're unvaccinated, unfortunately you will not be able to participate in many things." He's telling you, then, unless you are either registered online as vaccinated or ca...
LAL #045 — Interview with Ira Judelson, Bail Bondsman to the Stars 31.07.2021 53:23
Harvey Weinstein, Robert Durst, Anna "the Manhattan Madam" Gristina, Lil' Wayne, and Lawrence Taylor. The common thread is New York's most prominent bail bondsman, Ira Judelson. Mr. "30 Million on the Street" and author of recent book, " The Fixer: The Notorious Life of a Front-Page Bail Bondsman ", Ira Judelson joins Law and Legitimacy to discuss the fundamentals of the bond business—what a bond...
LAL #044 — Norm Reads Aloud: The Odyssey, Book VI 28.07.2021 15:22
"You know Zeus metes out fortune to good and bad men as it pleases him. Hardship he sent you, you must bear it." Odysseus awakens on foreign shores after being tossed for weeks on violent seas. Is he among friends or strangers? Athena arranges a friendly reception, the daughter of a prince, Nausikaa, stumbles upon him. Her hand-maidens recoil in fear. "Strangers and beggars come from Zeus," she r...
LAL #043 — Interview with Jonathan Gibbs: What It's Like to be Accused of Murder 21.07.2021 49:24
This one is solemn. "I don't even know who I was before then." Jonathan Gibbs was accused of murder in June of 2013, in a case that came to be known as the "Tennis Shoe Murder" in the press and media. The jury acquitted Jonathan of all charged counts. Jon was also found not responsible in the subsequent civil law suit brought by the victim's estate. You will hear Jonathan talk about the precipit...
LAL #042 — Introducing the Augustine Test: Is A.I. Up to the Challenge? 18.07.2021 22:52
In 1950, Allan Turing wrote about the imitation game. Place a computer behind a screen and have a human ask it questions by way of a keyboard. If the computer can answer the questions in a manner that makes it impossible for the human to tell whether the author was a human or a computer, the machine "passes" the test, and would be said to be possessed of general human intelligence. It was a narrow...
LAL #041 — An Interview with Bill Cosby's Spokesman, Mr. Andrew Wyatt of Purpose PR 13.07.2021 1:00:45
Andrew Wyatt is the spokesman for Bill Cosby, standing by him in the run up to his trial and his conviction in Pennsylvania, and greeting him at the prison gates when he was released from prison after the State Supreme Court threw out the conviction. Who is Andrew Wyatt? And what does a spokesman do? Few Americans have enjoyed the celebrity status that Bill Cosby enjoyed. And none have fallen so...
LAL #040 — TRUMP v. FACEBOOK, et al.: Right Target, Wrong Tool 08.07.2021 21:20
Donald Trump's suits against Facebook and Twitter are, unfortunately, about as likely to succeed as were his challenges to the 2020 election. In the election cases, his claims appeared to be frivolous. The social media complaints, however, are far from frivolous, at least in intent. But the legal theories they assert are ridiculous. Facebook and Twitter are private entities. They are not governed...
LAL #039 — Interview with Ron Coleman: On Notions of Societal "Lasting" and the Practice of Law 06.07.2021 1:03:04
"Can we long exist as a society if we lose our tradition in the roots of faith?" My guest on this episode of Law and Legitimacy is Ron Coleman. Ron Coleman is a partner at The Dhillon Law Group and has a robust practice including business law, commercial litigation, trademarks, intellectual property, antitrust, appellate issues and the occasional appearance in front of SCOTUS, anchored out of New...
LAL #038 — Wow! Just Wow! Bill Cosby is a Free Man 01.07.2021 21:27
Share, Like, Post, Tweet, Repost, Retweet, and Talk Aloud About It. The Pennsylvania Supreme Court reversed the conviction of Bill Cosby for the rape of Andrea Constand in a stinging rebuke of Commonwealth prosecutors. The Court ruled that prosecutors cannot retry Cosby, now 83. By the time you read this, he should be a free man. Cosby was tried twice for the rape of Ms. Constand. When the first...
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