Law and Legitimacy

Norm and Mike are engineering a new segment for the LAL faithful, called "Follow Through Friday" wherein cases that have been covered before will be updated, case brief style. Listeners should look forward to a precise command of fact patterns, attendant law, and key issues related to the cases and controversies covered. Due to the developing nature of high profile cases, FTF will highlight those...

One of America's most prominent conservative media voices, Steven Crowder, published a video in which he demanded that "Con Inc." should "do better" in relation to values it upholds by way of contract with its talent and creators. The context? Steven Crowder is a media free agent. Formerly under contract with The Blaze, Crowder and his agent have waded into the waters of free agency and solicited...

Promo Code "LAL2023" for a FREE 1-Month Subscription to Law and Legitimacy's Locals community.  In this stream, Norm and Mike cover: Sixth Amendment's guarantee of the right to confront an accuser; How Norm and Mike met SCOTUS divide, Reparations and what the San Francisco Draft Plan means for the future Norm is in D.C. defending Joe Biggs, one of the five Proud Boys defendants charged with sediti...

Week 3 of United States v. Joe Biggs begins, but it is only Day 2 of the prosecution's evidence. Norm talks about what the week will have in store.  Norm and Mike discuss an article from the Washington Post opining that the House Select Committee to Investigate January 6's efforts were lackluster and that the Committee caved to republicans and big tech.  The duo also talk about the split realities...

Workers work. Strivers strive. It may be a holiday, but LAL is live on Mondays. Right at 7:45. Norm and Mike convene on Martin Luther King, Jr. Day to recap from yesterday's livestream with Laura Loomer, to discuss SCOTUS's grant of cert for Counterman v. Colorado and the nature of the "true threat" exception to the first amendment's guarantee of free speech, and to scratch the surface of the faci...

Friday the Thirteenth! We make our own luck around here. Norm's suspension from the practice of law was temporarily stayed late yesterday afternoon by a Connecticut appellate court. What is next in United States v. Joseph R. Biggs et al.? Bryan Kohberger's preliminary hearing has been delayed until June 26, 2023, after his defense waived Kohberger's right to a speedy trial. What is the strategy he...

It may be the middle of January, but things are hot in our nation's Capitol. Norm is still in D.C. awaiting the court's decision in whether he will remain as defense counsel to Proud Boy and January Sixer, Joe Biggs. Michael has a wager. What's yours? Norm and Mike discuss: › Robert F. Kennedy and the Children's Health Defense Fund et al.'s lawsuit against the Washington Post, The Associated Press...

Greg Abbot handed President Biden a letter during the latter's visit to the border. Jim Jordan is the Judiciary Committee Chairman, and will chair the House's newly formed subcommittee designed to probe the "weaponization" of the federal government. Joshua Browder, CEO of DoNotPay, wants his AI to argue in front of the Supreme Court of the United States. And he is offering $1M to the attorney that...

This is a great one. One of our best.  Welcome back to our more premium long form content. Our guest for LAL #081 is Pete Atkinson.  Pete Atkinson represents everything we as a country have to be optimistic about for our shared future. He is Canadian-born and raised in Washington, D.C. Pete currently lives and works north of Chicago. He studied Classics at Ave Maria University, founded a study abr...

He's back. Jimmy Vallee is the managing director and co-founder of Valhil Capital. He's appeared on LAL several times before, most notably on LAL #058. For a refresher, hop back to that episode and check it out.  Jimmy hangs out with Norm and Mike on a Rumble livestream to discuss blockchain, cryptocurrency, Ripple, and XRP. In particular, this episode focuses on the current status of SEC v. Rippl...

Norm opens the week from the famed swamp and our nation's great capitol, Washington, D.C. He is, of course, in D.C. for purposes of the criminal defense on behalf of one Joseph R. Biggs. Joe Biggs is one of several Proud Boys criminal defendants arrested in connection with the events of January 6, 2021, and who has by and through a third superseding federal criminal indictment been charged with se...

Mike will talk until he's blue in the face about what it's like to sink into a conversation between Norm Pattis and Ron Coleman. If you follow him on Twitter, you'll see endless GIFs and pictures of Larry Bird and Joel McHale—Boston Celtics legends. That is the sort of remarkable chemistry Norm and Ron share, especially on matters of human intellect and spirituality.  American culture was gripped...

It was a 2-stream day for Law and Legitimacy. Norm and Mike open the morning with the daily morning back-and-forth.  Norm doesn't want to spend $8 per month on Twitter any more than he wants to throw $8 out the window every day, but he does see some potential upside to Elon Musk's plan for verification on the platform. This launches a discussion about anonymity and pseudonymity on social media. Is...

Norm and Mike peel back the facts involving husband of the United States Speaker of the House, Paul Pelosi, in a recent domestic matter in the San Francisco couple's home. Are there any reliable news stories?  Should we be afraid of political violence on the horizon? While most appear afraid to continue with honest discussion of the Ye cancellation, LAL stays in the saddle. The inimitable Ron Cole...

Norm and Mike get it cracking on a Monday Halloween morning. Trick or treat? Norm and Mike discuss Elon Musk's recent announcement of his intent to form a content moderation board for the purpose of handling content on the platform.  Depending on the lens through which one looks, Twitter represents an accessbile entry point in the conversation about globalism and what those like Alex Jones might r...

The news was dominated on Friday by Elon Musk's taking the reigns at Twitter, firing most of the C-Suite, and intimating that positive developments in the domain of speech are to come from the platform.  Norm and Mike review Elon's letters to advertisers, and then inquire as to the status of the most notable banned accounts on the platform—namely, Alex Jones and Kanye West.  What should our expect...

Norm and Mike remain steadfast in their commitment to patiently and precisely analyze the matter of Ye vs. the World behind the former's statements concerning the "Jewish media." Ye appeared on the Lix Fridman podcast last weekend. And in the wake of the corporate response to Ye's statements, Ye's YEEZY deal with Adidas has been terminated, along with his relationship with CAA, and various other m...

Norm and Mike continue peeling back the layers of the Ye controversy and analyze the continuing fallout from various statements Ye made in connection with his mid-October appearance on "Drink Champs." Norm and Mike each listened to a recent podcast on which Ye appeared, hosted by none other than Lex Fridman. We strongly encourage our listeners to supplement this stream episode by visiting the Lex...

Norm and Mike meet for the inaugural livestreaming episode of Law and Legitimacy.  Norm discusses being cancelled from radio behind the Jones verdict and takes the opportunity to re-introduce the foundations of Law and Legitimacy.  To whom and to what do we conform our conduct? We look forward to expanding the LAL audience and streaming every weekday at 8:00 a.m. eastern time.  All livestreams may...

$965 million.  That's before attorneys fees. That's before punitive damages.  The Connecticut jury in the second of three lawsuits against Alex Jones in connection with his alleged defamatory statements concerning the victims of the Sandy Hook tragedy awarded the plaintiffs a record-breaking sum of nearly one billion dollars.  Hot off a grueling six weeks of trial, Norm dusts off his mic and takes...

Our guest today needs no introduction. We're going to give you one anyway, because people deserve their flowers while they can still smell them.  Mike Cernovich is a father, husband, attorney, filmmaker and documentarian, social and political commentator, author, mindset coach, and modern American philosopher.  His Twitter following is among the most 'sticky' of metrics in the social media space....

One of the most hotly contested matters of local importance is that of land use and zoning.  Norm reports on a local member of a Connecticut community who has announced a lawsuit against a town following the town's denial of her land use proposal.  There is no hiding the burgeoning pressure being applied to local towns and municipalities as a result of the nationwide push for affordable housing. ...

Norm is back on the air to start the week and it is clear he missed his new home at WICC. He spends the opening minutes of his segment by reviewing the results of the local bluefish fishing tournament and the various methods fishing tournaments deploy to ensure a presumed winner did not become so through cheating.  Norm is then joined by W. Michael Boyer, the producer of Law and Legitimacy and Nor...

We continue our week of LAL Classics with something very special from the archives: Norm's interview with legendary first amendment and trademark and intellectual property attorney, Ron Coleman.  Ron is not only a partner at the esteemed Dhillon Law Group, but he is the host of is own successful audio-visual venture, The Coleman-Nation Podcast .  The central question of this episode is this: can w...

While Norm attends to the defense of Alex Jones in the Connecticut defamation lawsuit, we'll rewind our listeners to episodes we self-select as 'classics' within the growing LAL library. Please take this opportunity to share an LAL Classic with someone you know. Help us grow, evolve, and continue pointing a light of truth at our common conceptions of right and common interest.  A crowd favorite gu...