Jason Miller & Makenzie Wirth
Journey to an ESOP & Beyond
ESOPs are gaining traction. In the "Journey to an ESOP & Beyond” podcast, Doeren Mayhew's Jason Miller and Makenzie Wirth explain the ESOP transaction process and address ESOPs from a business owner's perspective. They illuminate the simplicity of ESOPs and debunk common misconceptions that ESOPs are immensely costly and complicated. -- “Doeren Mayhew" is the brand name under which Doeren Mayhew Assurance and Doeren Mayhew Advisors, LLC and its subsidiary entities provide professional services. Doeren Mayhew Assurance and Doeren Mayhew Advisors, LLC (and its subsidiary entities) practice as an...
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Jason Miller & Makenzie Wirth
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Jul 10, 2026
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Episodes
EP39 - 1042 - set hike - tax play for an ESOP 11.09.2020 22:29
This episode provides an overview of the 1042 tax treatment for Capital gains tax deferral benefits applied to an ESOP transaction.
EP38 - Interview with ESOP company - Southeastern Surveying and Mapping...Brian Garvey - Orlando, FL 04.09.2020 31:31
This episode allows us to look at the ESOP transaction process from the point of view of one of the key corporate managers going through the process. Brian and his fellow managers had the opportunity to purchase the company as an MBO but decided on a 100 percent ESOP instead. This is a very informative episode.
EP37 - SAR - a long, long way to run 28.08.2020 30:29
This episode covers the details behind how SARS - Stock Appreciation Rights programs are utilized in ESOP transactions as management incentive plans.
EP36 - Interview with Andy Daly and Stephen Eide - ESOP attorneys from Minneapolis, MN 22.08.2020 37:04
This interview is titled: "Things I wish I knew before I did my ESOP deal." We will cover the wrong expectations of sellers on ESOP deals and some areas that are good to know before you go into the planning process.
EP35 - Bill and Ted - Face The Music of 409(p) 17.08.2020 22:54
In this episode we find both Bill and Ted dealing with 409(p) issues related to their ESOP deal that they did back in EP 19 "Bill and Ted's ESOP adventure." They had made some mistakes and now have issues with disqualified people and violations with their S-Corp ESOP - find out how they solve their 409(p) issues.
EP34 - Interview with John Burgess - debut of FLCEO new non-profit in Florida to help ESOPs 10.08.2020 22:06
This episode is dedicated to the newly created Florida non-profit called FLCEO or Florida Center of Employee Ownership. We interview John Burgess, a board member of the organization and practicing ESOP attorney in Tampa, Florida discusses the mission of providing resources to those interested in an Employee Stock Ownership Plan.
EP33 - The Accountant - The Need For Accountability 06.08.2020 29:19
This episode helps to evaluate the need in your organization for accountability and it's impact on your company converting to an ESOP. In a statistic from Forbes magazine - 93 percent of employees don't even understand what their organization is trying to accomplish - how can they be accountable...to what?
EP32 - Anatomy of an ESOP Transaction - recorded negotiation case study with Miguel Paredes (trustee) and Peter Aliferis (advisor) 31.07.2020 43:33
This episode is a recording of a negotiation of an ESOP transaction to illustrate the offer and counter offer aspects of an ESOP transaction with insight into key areas like valuation and synthetic equity to better understand the process of negotiation from both the sell-side and buy-side perspectives.
EP31 - The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly - Customer Concentration Issues for ESOPs 24.07.2020 26:43
This episode focuses on the issues related to customer concentration and how it affects your ESOP transaction. The podcast provides recommendations to plan through this issue for your transaction and boost your value in the process.
EP30 - Interview with Jack Veale - Building Ownership Culture 17.07.2020 32:54
This interview with Jack Veale dives into helpful information for companies looking at ESOP using tips from Jack's book "Creating Strategic Innovation"
EP29 - The Art of War - Negotiation of an ESOP transaction. 13.07.2020 29:22
This episode highlights the best practices for the negotiation of an ESOP transaction. It works through each step of the ESOP process and recommends preparation, the right team, and alignment with goals and objectives.
EP28 - Breakfast Club - The Importance of Culture for an ESOP 02.07.2020 25:51
This episode is helpful to explore you business culture in ways to prepare for an ESOP. "Culture eats strategy for breakfast" Peter Drucker
EP27 - Interview with ESOP attorney Jason Ray from Dallas, TX 30.06.2020 35:59
This interview digs into the issue of interim valuations and how they might be used during an economic downturn. Jason's experience with ESOPs offers valuable insight into managing these types of ESOP issues.
EP26 - The Hunger Games - What is the deal with Warrants on ESOP transactions. 24.06.2020 23:28
This episode will provide an overview of warrants used on ESOP transactions. A simplified case study is provided to help understand the use of warrants and relevant issues.
EP25 - Interview with Greg Daugherty - ESOP Attorney, Columbus OH 17.06.2020 28:28
This episode examines the seller's perspective and key management in evaluating the benefits and options of an ESOP, from the viewpoint of an experienced ESOP attorney
EP24 - IRON MAN - Dealing with Difficult Leadership Decisions for your ESOP 12.06.2020 20:23
This episode focuses on assessing the issues related to leadership problems and solutions to strengthen your business to support ESOP transition.
EP23 - Interview with Joseph Sophia - First Financial Bank, Columbus OH 05.06.2020 34:25
This interview with ESOP experienced banker Joseph Sophia will help the listener to better understand the process the bank goes through in underwriting an ESOP loan and the potential changes with COVID-19.
EP22 - Before it Erupts - Kaboom! Working through business volatility 02.06.2020 21:24
This episode focuses on issues related to business volatility as it is a major hurdle for companies trying to go ESOP. The episode focuses on solutions to help the companies address business volatility.
EP21 - Interview with ESOP attorney - David Joffe - partial ESOPs 27.05.2020 29:29
This episode explores partial ESOPs as either non-leveraged, non-leveraged with redemption, or leveraged. It provides a good overview of each type with pros and cons so that the listener can better understand their options early on in the ESOP process.
EP20 - Interview with Miguel Paredes - former DOL supervisor now Trustee Los Angeles CA 21.05.2020 31:10
This episode provides a unique perspective by interviewing Miguel Paredes - an independent trustee that has prior experience in working for the department of labor reviewing ESOPs. We cover the DOL process agreement to better understand the approach to putting an ESOP deal together with best practices.
EP19 - Bill and Ted's ESOP Adventure - 1+1=4 18.05.2020 20:56
This episode helps the listener better understand the process of merging entities and percentages to maximize the valuation and create a more sustainable ESOP.
EP18 - Interview with ESOP business valuation expert - Will Rodriguez - Tampa, FL 09.05.2020 26:37
This interview focuses on the business valuation process to support the ESOP transaction with trustee expectations and role of valuation firm. Will has over 20 years experience and offers insight into the process and current situation with Covid-19's effect on existing transactions and existing ESOP companies and how they may be utilizing interim valuations.
EP17 - Risky Business - Focus on risk related to Access to Capital. 04.05.2020 23:50
For companies on a journey to an esop - this episode covers the significance of addressing and mitigating business risk with a focus on the risk of a business in terms of their access to capital. The podcast provides some ways to mitigate this risk.
EP16 - Interview with Brandon Ernstes ESOP insurance expert with Houchens Insurance, Nashville TN 29.04.2020 24:30
This episode tackles the perspective of an ESOP insurance professional and the role that they play in the process of a new ESOP company.
EP15 - Did Uncle Sam Go Crazy? ESOPs - issues and opportunities related to tax exempt S-corps. 26.04.2020 22:34
In this episode details related to the ESOP tax exemption for S-Corporations and a brief discussion on its limitations that need to be addressed early on in the planning process.
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