Interdependent Study
Interdependent Study
Class is in session. Interdependent Study is about the learning and unlearning work for social justice and collective liberation. Interdependent Study is hosted by Damien Franze, an angry Black man from Baltimore who wears his heart on his sleeve, and Aaron Hood, an angry white man from Florida who is always thinking. We’re two friends who work in education and share a commitment to social justice. We believe that we are always learning; always arriving. People constantly learn and unlearn by reflecting on their experiences. Interdependent Study is designed to be a community for this work.
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Jul 8, 2026
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Stories of Gaza 14.01.2026 21:46
More journalists have been killed in the Israel-Gaza war than in any other conflict. Listen as Aaron and Damien discuss the documentary “Eyes of Gaza” (directed by Mahmoud Al-Atassi), which follows three Palestinian journalists in Gaza as they put their lives at risk to document and report on the genocide and atrocities taking place in Gaza in real time, as well as highlights the necessity and imp...
2025 Year in Review 31.12.2025 27:34
It is almost time to close out 2025 which means it’s time for our final episode of the year! Listen as Aaron and Damien reflect on the past year of our podcast, and each share our top 5 moments from the show. Thank you so much for listening to Interdependent Study! We’ll see you in 2026! Follow us on social media and visit our website! Patreon...
Uranium Mining, Disposability, and Death 24.12.2025 19:38
The harmful impact of environmental racism and nuclear colonialism on the health and well-being of Navajo miners and Indigenous communities cannot be overstated. Listen as Aaron and Damien discuss the piece “They Worked Underground in the Uranium Mines. They’ve Been Surrounded by Death Ever Since.” by Sarah Lazare in In These Times, which shares the story and health struggles of a former Navajo ur...
The Radical Practice of Friendship 17.12.2025 21:33
There is so much potential in the power of friendship in our personal lives and in our movement work for social justice and collective liberation. Listen as Aaron and Damien discuss the book Friends in Common: Radical Friendship and Everyday Solidarities by Laura C. Forster and Joel White (and published by Pluto Press), which explores and analyzes the concept and utility of friendship as a politic...
Weaving Abolitionist Principles 10.12.2025 22:09
It is important to mobilize people who are already organizing for and around a variety of issues and harness their energy into the work of prison abolition organizing. Listen as Aaron and Damien discuss the fourth piece in a six-part series titled “Abolitionist Lessons from the Prison Belt” in Inquest called “Organizing the Already Mobilized”, which features a conversation between Lydia Pelot-Hobb...
Cross Movement Solidarity Against Fascism 03.12.2025 21:45
We need solidarity across our movements and organizing work in the fight against fascism and authoritarianism and for our collective liberation. Listen as Aaron and Damien discuss two pieces in The Forge, including “The Climate Movement Must Be A Movement Against Fascism” by Aru Shiney-Ajay and “Solidarity is the Solution” by Jeremiah Smith, which highlight the connectedness in our struggles for h...
Alabama's Depraved Prisons w/ Dakarai Larriett 26.11.2025 30:42
The state prison system in Alabama is one of the deadliest in the nation and a case study for the need for abolition. Listen as Aaron and Damien AND special guest Dakarai Larriett discuss the documentary “The Alabama Solution” (directed by Andrew Jarecki and Charlotte Kaufman), which exposes and chronicles the widespread corruption, brutality, and inhumane conditions present throughout Alabama’s s...
The People's Streets 19.11.2025 25:28
The Trump administration’s deployment and use of the National Guard and federalization of local law enforcement is a dangerous tactic with a potentially significant long-term impact moving forward. Listen as Aaron and Damien discuss a piece in Hammer & Hope titled “Whose Streets? Trump’s Federalized National Guard and the Long Arc of White Supremacy”, which features a conversation between Olúf...
Listen When Things Fall Apart 12.11.2025 29:38
There is so much we can all learn from seasoned activists, scholars, and organizers as we continue to fight for social justice and collective liberation during these challenging times. Listen as Aaron and Damien discuss the book Read This When Things Fall Apart: Letters to Activists in Crisis , edited by Kelly Hayes (and published by AK Press ), which is a compilation of letters to activists and o...
Prisons Are Not Inevitable 05.11.2025 24:26
An important outcome of prison abolition organizing is to help address the political economic geography of unfreedom. Listen as Aaron and Damien discuss the third piece in a six-part series titled “Abolitionist Lessons from the Prison Belt” in Inquest called “Custody and Power”, which features a conversation between Lydia Pelot-Hobbs, Judah Schept, Ruth Wilson Gilmore, and Craig Gilmore about the...
Unlearning for Collective Liberation 29.10.2025 31:37
The key to unlearning lies in community, and we must embrace unlearning as a collective practice in order to fight for collective liberation. Listen as Aaron and Damien discuss the book Radical Unlearning: The Art and Science of Creating Change from Within by Lewis Raven Wallace (and published by Beacon Press), which explores and analyzes the concepts of radical unlearning and neuropsychology, as...
Hope Beyond a Moment 22.10.2025 30:33
The hope for real change in America after the election of President Obama was stifled in the wake of racism, vigilante violence, and police brutality. Listen as Aaron and Damien discuss the sixth and final episode of the docuseries “Eyes on the Prize III: We Who Believe in Freedom Cannot Rest” titled “What Comes After Hope? (2008-2015)” (directed by Leslie Asako Gladsjo), which chronicles the year...
The Movement for Resegregation 15.10.2025 23:51
Affirmative action is about righting some of the wrongs of our society and our history. Listen as Aaron and Damien discuss the fifth episode of the docuseries “Eyes on the Prize III: We Who Believe in Freedom Cannot Rest” titled “We Don’t See Color (1996-2013)” (directed by Smriti Mundhra), which explores the complexities and impact of affirmative action policies in places like California, Michiga...
Spineless Politicians Refuse to Acknowledge Genocide 08.10.2025 21:23
Despite the inaction of the Democratic Party leadership, the consensus among the base of the Democratic Party is for the U.S. government to end its support of Israel’s efforts to commit genocide in Palestine. Listen as Aaron and Damien discuss the piece “Democratic Leadership Still Hasn’t Caught Up to the Party’s Base on Gaza” by Stephen Zunes in In These Times, which explores and analyzes the gro...
Wisdom & Connection Through Water 01.10.2025 28:57
What might it mean to truly listen to, know, and exist with water in our lives and in our fight for collective liberation? Listen as Aaron and Damien discuss the book Theory of Water: Nishnaabe Maps to the Times Ahead by Leanne Betasamosake Simpson (and published by Haymarket Books), which explores Nishnaabeg origin stories to offer a radical reimagining of our collective relationship with water i...
Organizing for the World Beyond Trump 24.09.2025 23:20
The need for local and regional networks in our mass movements and organizing efforts is huge in order to meet the fascist and authoritarian moment we are in. Listen as Aaron and Damien discuss the piece "Building an Opposition to Survive the Trump Era” by Keeanga-Yamahtta Taylor in Hammer & Hope, which analyzes the scale, scope, and impact of mass protests and organizing work during both of T...
Bringing Environmental Justice & Abolition Together 17.09.2025 20:48
It is important that abolitionists and environmental justice organizers fight a common purpose in their work and fight for justice. Listen as Aaron and Damien discuss the second piece in a six-part series titled “Abolitionist Lessons from the Prison Belt” in Inquest called “Abolition and Environmental Justice”, which features a conversation between Lydia Pelot-Hobbs, Judah Schept, Ruth Wilson Gilm...
Toxic Spills & Organized Resistance 10.09.2025 28:14
The presence and impact of environmental racism is real and has been a long-standing issue in our society. Listen as Aaron and Damien discuss the fourth episode of the docuseries “Eyes on the Prize III: We Who Believe in Freedom Cannot Rest” titled “Spoil the Vine (1982-2011)” (directed by Rudy Valdez), which chronicles the organizing, growth, and fight for environmental justice in the United Stat...
Resist the Debt, Death, and Deportation Machine 03.09.2025 23:13
It could not be more clear that we need a new united front against fascism. Listen as Aaron and Damien discuss the piece “Where Was the Resistance to Trump’s Megabill of Debt, Death, and Deportation?” by Shamell Bell in Hammer & Hope, which utilizes the resistance to the One Big Beautiful Bill Act as a case study to highlight the importance of building an intentional and united coalition of or...
Recalibrations of White Supremacism 27.08.2025 31:58
There are countless examples throughout history and around the world of how racial capitalism reproduces and protects itself and white supremacy. Listen as Aaron and Damien discuss the book The New Racial Regime: Recalibrations of White Supremacy by Alana Lentin (and published by Pluto Press), which outlines and analyzes the attacks on anticolonial, Black, Indigenous thought, life, and praxis thro...
Permutations of Prison Expansion 13.08.2025 25:13
It’s important to consider the need for different strategies in the fight for prison abolition based on the specific region of the country. Listen as Aaron and Damien discuss the first of a six-part series titled “Abolitionist Lessons from the Prison Belt” in Inquest called “Uneven Expansions”, which features a conversation between Lydia Pelot-Hobbs, Judah Schept, Ruth Wilson Gilmore, and Craig Gi...
Building Informational Power 06.08.2025 26:21
There is real power in building and utilizing informational power as a strategy within our abolitionist movements to resist authoritarianism and fight for collective liberation. Listen as Aaron and Damien discuss the report “Shaping Reality: Building Informational Power to Resist Authoritarianism” by Lewis Raven Wallace (and produced by Interrupting Criminalization), which analyzes recent movement...
Big Egregious Wealth Transfer 30.07.2025 29:45
It is important for all of us to know and understand everything that is in the One Big Beautiful Bill Act to know what provisions are coming during the next few years. Listen as Aaron and Damien discuss the piece “10 Egregious Things You May Not Know About the One Big Beautiful Bill Act” by Colin Seeberger, Andrea Ducas, and Natasha Murphy and published by the Center for American Progress, which o...
Fascists Attack Dissent Because They're Afraid 23.07.2025 21:34
We are witnessing the current administration’s outrageous and harmful efforts to silence dissent and curtail our freedoms on a daily basis. Listen as Aaron and Damien discuss the piece “‘I Am Not Afraid’” by Adam Federman in In These Times, which analyzes some of the troubling and dangerous efforts by the Trump administration and its far-right loyalists to attack activists, organizers, and protest...
Centuries of Witch Hunting 16.07.2025 23:00
The influence and impact of capitalism across the globe on violence against women, especially with witch hunts, cannot be understated. Listen as Aaron and Damien discuss the book Witches, Witch-Hunting, and Women by Silvia Federici (and published by PM Press), which outlines and analyzes the root causes and impact of interpersonal and institutional violence against witches and women across the glo...
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