Chisomo & Bobby
Integrated Rhythm
Two besties navigate race and the Black Experience in the world of Jazz Dance and other Afro-centric social dancing. Join Associate Professor, instructor, and swing and Zambian heritage dancer CHISOMO SELEMANI and world champion swing dancer, instructor, and historian BOBBY WHITE as they discuss Afro-centric social dancing with a range of guests, make bad puns, and occasionally sing. The goal is comfortable conversations about uncomfortable things. You can support us at:Patreon: www.patreon.com/integratedrhythmPayPal: robertwhiteiii@gmail.com Venmo: @bobbyswungover (Put IR in notes)
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Mar 10, 2026
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Episodes
13: To Be Black and Snatched (w/ MICHELLE STOKES) 11.02.2021 1:02:57
To Be Black and Snatched. Hair --- it's not only a cultural part of Black living, it's also a practical one. You might be surprised all the ways it plays a role in a Black person existing in a mostly Non-Black America, and specifically in a Non-Black swing dancing space. It's only one of the topics we discuss in today's action-packed episode. In part I of this 2-part conversation, we talk to...
12: The Rise of the Big Apple 04.02.2021 25:00
In the late 1930s, a truly Black American dance experience took over America. This episode is a reading of this week's Swungover article on the rise of the "The Big Apple" dance craze, the problematic news articles affiliated with it, and how Whitey's Lindy Hoppers adopted the dance in Harlem. You can read the article and see the Whitey's Big Apple footage over at www.swungover.com or on the...
11: Indeegnance 28.01.2021 46:09
Indeegnance. A word that beautifully captures all that we talk about in today's episode, including genetic-based racism vs assimilationist racism, language and perception, code switching, Beyonce's "Black is King," the burden of representation, and action verses emotion. 1:00 Bobby's sloppy set up: Genetic-based Racism vs Assimilationist Racism 4:30 Both kinds are present in the Swing dance scene...
10: "Mmmm, That Ain't It, Baby." (w/ KENNETH SHIPP) 21.01.2021 57:14
In this episode, Blues Dances instructor, DJ, and proud nerd KENNETH SHIPP discusses getting thrown into the middle of learning Line Dances, the dance lessons gotten from church, working first hand with Blues dancing pioneers, and how each has shaped the way he teaches dance and helps people chill the f&$% out. (1:00) Kenneth on learning growing up, (7:00) My first experience at a white...
09: A Little Stalker-y (w/ LEWIS ORCHARD & SHANI BROWN) 14.01.2021 1:01:49
In this episode, Bobby & Chisomo talk with swing historians and history lovers LEWIS ORCHARD (a White British man) and SHANI BROWN (a Black American woman) about not being Black and researching Black people in history. Specifically, they will tell the story of researching the great Whitey's Lindy Hopper John Wesley "Tiny" Bunch, and discuss the process. (1:30) It all began when…, (3:00)...
SHORTY: The Life of "Tiny" Bunch 14.01.2021 11:21
SHORTY: Short bonus episodes. This "Shorty" is a reading of the Swungover Article "The Life of "Tiny" Bunch," about famous Whitey's Lindy Hopper John "Tiny" Bunch. This is a companion piece to podcast Episode 09: "A little Stalker-y" where we discuss the act of researching People of Color.
08: Genes Are Weird, Am I Right? (w/ SHANI BROWN) 07.01.2021 56:14
This week we talk with international instructor of Balboa and Lindy, Shani Brown , about learning from the original SoCal swing dancers, the reality of their culture and lives, and the invisibility and visibility of herself as a Black woman in the scene. We also briefly reflect on and respond to the events that happened at the Capital on Nov 6, 2021. (The day before this podcast was released.) Chi...
CHECK IT OUT: Buzz Interview w/ Adolfo 'Shabba Doo' Quiñone (YouTube Vid) 06.01.2021 4:46
CHECK IT OUT! Short tidbits where we point listeners to awesome things. In this episode, we briefly tell you why you should watch The Buzz's interview with Soul Train dancer & Breakin' star Adolfo 'Shabba Doo' Quiñone, who recently passed away ahead of his time. Here's the link to the interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZFjQSmveA8&
07: A Complimentary Episode 31.12.2020 37:50
In this episode, Chisomo & Bobby discuss White people complimenting Black people, and many of the layers involved. (0:00) The setup. (4:00) compliments & microaggressions. (8:30) talking with the other person? It gets tricky. (10:30) looking at the context. (19:00) Black women's hair. (22:00) The exaggeration of Black people as a tool of oppression. (23:30) Black People and being suspiciou...
06: Knocked Down? ...I DO Get Up Again. (Holiday Party, Part 2 of 2) 22.12.2020 1:18:11
(Part 2 of 2!) This is a special holiday episode with the Integrated Rhythm family and all of our guests so far --- LATASHA BARNES, JOEY OTENG, LAUREL RYAN, MICHELLE STOKES, and STEFFANIE AK SCHILLING! CONTENTS: (0:00) Question #3: What's a time when you've seen two cultures overlap unexpectedly? (1:07) Product of an interracial AND international couple (8:00) Immigrant kids tend to find each othe...
05: You RESPECT The Muppets (Holiday Party, Part 1 of 2) 22.12.2020 1:12:35
Special 2020 Holiday Party Episode! Perfect for being cooped up in your house in a Holiday quarantine! (Part 1 of 2) with LATASHA BARNES, JOEY OTENG, LAUREL RYAN, MICHELLE STOKES, and STEFFANIE AK SCHILLING! (Also check out the visual of the party on YouTube!) And if you're a cheesy holiday movie fan, Joey's Hallmark lovefest is a must-listen (at 37:00) CONTENTS (Approximates, may vary with...
04: Season 27 of My Life (w/JOEY OTENG) 17.12.2020 57:09
This week we talk with Social Justice Educator JOEY OTENG about 2020, academia, immigrant parents, and advice for the scene and the world in general. We also predict 93% of our listeners would happily go on a long walk on the beach with Joey by the end of the episode. (2:00) Joey's infographics, (7:00) The moving sidewalk of Anti-racism, (10:00) About Joey and the TV show that is 2020, (16:30) Imm...
CHECK IT OUT: "Unbothered" by Namwali Serpell (Article) 15.12.2020 6:19
CHECK IT OUT! Short tidbits where we point listeners to awesome things. In this episode, we briefly tell you why you should read "Unbothered," an article by Namwali Serpell for The Yale Review, and some questions to ask yourself after you're done.
03: Zen AF (w/ STEFFANIE AK SCHILLING) 10.12.2020 1:02:41
In this episode of Integrated Rhythm, we speak with Swing Dancer, instructor, performer, social justice panelist, MC, and Cyber Security Expert STEFFANIE AK SCHILLING. After quite possibly the greatest intro we will ever create, we discuss… (4:00) Being 80 years old, (6:20) ADHD… (7:30) and medication …(11:30) ADHD in following and leading … (13:00) defining ADHD…(18:00) being a woman with ADHD…(2...
02: Can a Sister Get a Triple Step? (w/ LATASHA BARNES) 03.12.2020 1:04:44
In this episode, we talk with Champion House and Jazz dancer, and mastered Ethnochoreologist, LaTasha Barnes. (0:02) on the phrase "Urban dance," (0:05) on the phrase "Jazz dance," (8:30) on theatrical "jazz" dance vs original jazz dance, (0:11) on the upcoming "Swing Out" production, (0:18) the modern scene connecting more with live music and musicians, (0:27) ADHD and Bobby meeting LaTasha...
01: Swanky Khakis (Laying the Groundwork) 03.12.2020 45:10
Welcome! Our goal is comfortable conversations about uncomfortable things. In this episode... Introductions, laying the groundwork (0:07), imperfect journey, calling in vs calling out, (0:10) elevating counter-narratives, (0:12) virtue signaling and performative allyship, (0:17) Black Woman issues, (0:22) electronic racism and healthcare racism, (0:28) power of a very dominant majority, (0:33) pol...
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