Industry Relations

The Industry Relations Podcast is now available on your favorite podcast player! In this episode of  Industry Relations , Rob and Greg tackle the thorny question of who should have access to real estate listing data. Prompted by a Wired article about college students using Zillow to assess classmates' wealth, Rob argues that the real estate industry should move some listing details—like interior p...

The Industry Relations Podcast is now available on your favorite podcast player! Overview In this episode of Industry Relations , Rob and Greg unpack the lawsuit Compass filed against Zillow over its ZLAS (Zillow Listing Agreement Standard) policy. They debate the strength of Compass's legal claims, the language cited in the complaint, and what the alleged behind-the-scenes meetings reveal about Z...

The Industry Relations Podcast is now available on your favorite podcast player! Overview In this special episode of Industry Relations , Rob and Greg take a break from real estate to talk about one of their shared passions: music. They explore the most transformative artists and bands across genres from the 70s through today. Their conversation dives deep into the cultural impact of acts like Nir...

In this episode of Industry Relations , Rob and Greg reflect on a recent panel discussion hosted by the Orange County Association of REALTORS®. They discuss the incentives that drive agent and broker behavior, the value and vulnerabilities of the MLS in a post-settlement world, and the broader structural changes facing the real estate industry. The first half of the conversation also includes a ca...

In this episode of Industry Relations , Rob and Greg recap the 2025 NAR Midyear Meetings in Washington, D.C., discussing key industry developments, MLS policy changes, and behind-the-scenes dynamics. Topics include the repeal of the commingling ban, updates to NAR's controversial 10-5 speech policy, and ongoing MLS consolidation. They also cover vendor presence, association politics, and speculati...

In this episode of Industry Relations , Rob and Greg run a thought experiment: What if we're entering a true buyer's market? They walk through ten major industry topics—from antitrust litigation to portals, AI, and MLS relevance—and analyze how each might shift if buyers suddenly gained the upper hand. Along the way, they debate policy, technology, and market psychology, drawing connections betwee...

In this episode of Industry Relations , Rob and Greg analyze Zillow's recently released ZLAS policy language and debate whether it reflects a shift in Zillow's priorities. They discuss the implications of allowing broker direct feeds, the enforcement challenges around delayed marketing, and whether Zillow's current stance can still be considered "consumer first." The conversation also explores how...

In this episode of Industry Relations , Rob and Greg explore the idea of the elusive "end-to-end platform" in real estate. Prompted by Lower's acquisition of Movoto, they revisit decades of efforts by portals and brokerages to deliver a seamless transaction experience—from search to closing. They examine why this model has struggled to take hold in residential real estate, compare it to consumer e...

In this episode of Industry Relations , Rob and Greg examine CoStar's recent announcement that Homes.com will boost listings banned on Zillow . They discuss whether this strategy is aimed at consumers or brokers, and whether it signals a broader battle for power in the real estate portal space. They also explore the potential implications of a proposed Illinois bill that would require public listi...

In this episode of Industry Relations , Rob and Greg discuss the broader cultural trend of returning to physical, human-centered experiences amid rapid advances in technology and AI. They explore topics ranging from Compass's decision to print physical listing books to the rise of tabletop gaming, and examine whether real estate's resistance to full automation is part of a wider pushback against d...

In this episode of Industry Relations , Rob and Greg explore the evolving definition of an "open market" in real estate. They discuss how consumer expectations, technology shifts, and the dominance of platforms like Zillow are reshaping what it means for a listing to be considered publicly available. The conversation also covers the historical role of the MLS, comparisons to other industries, and...

In this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg examine how changes to MLS rules, especially around delayed marketing and the Clear Cooperation Policy (CCP), are impacting portals, broker strategies, vendors, and the broader real estate ecosystem. They also explore the implications of the Rocket-Redfin merger, challenges for MLS public-facing websites, and what the new data policy landscape me...

In this episode of Industry Relations , Rob and Greg react to Zillow's announcement that listings violating the Clear Cooperation Policy (CCP) will no longer be allowed on its platform. They discuss how this move could impact private exclusives, delayed marketing strategies, and the role of major brokerages like Compass and eXp. They also explore how this policy could affect MLS governance and whe...

In this episode of Industry Relations , Rob and Greg analyze the latest developments in the Clear Cooperation Policy (CCP) and its impact on brokerages, MLSs, and the industry at large. They also discuss how exclusive inventory strategies are reshaping competition, the DOJ's scrutiny of MLS policies, and what these shifts could mean for agents and consumers moving forward.   Key Takeaways • Clear...

In this episode of Industry Relations , Rob and Greg break down the big news about the Clear Cooperation Policy (CCP) and what its potential changes could mean for the future of real estate. They discuss the DOJ's ongoing investigation into NAR , the evolving landscape of MLS policies, and how major brokerages are responding. With key shifts on the horizon, they explore what these developments mea...

**This podcast was recorded the Friday BEFORE the announcement from NAR on CCP** In this episode of Industry Relations , Rob and Greg dissect the latest drama surrounding NAR's Clear Cooperation Policy (CCP) , the DOJ's stance on MLS rules , and the future of PropTech in a shifting real estate landscape . They analyze how recent DOJ statements are being interpreted (or misinterpreted), debate whet...

In this episode of Industry Relations , Rob and Greg break down three major real estate bombshells —the rumored Compass acquisition of Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices (BHHS) , the Redfin-Rocket merger , and the potential shake-up of NAR's Clear Cooperation Policy (CCP) . They discuss whether Compass is actually in talks with BHHS or if this is just Wall Street speculation, how Redfin and Rocket co...

In this episode of  Industry Relations , Rob and Greg tackle three major industry shake-ups: Gary Keller selling a stake in Keller Williams , REX losing its lawsuit against NAR and Zillow , and the launch of a new NAR alternative, AREA, by Mauricio Umansky and Jason Haber . They debate what these moves mean for the future of real estate, the ongoing battle over commission structures, and whether t...

In this episode of  Industry Relations , Rob and Greg dive into the controversy surrounding dual agency, private networks, and the MLS's role in protecting small brokers. They break down the industry's long-standing acceptance of brokerage-level dual agency while questioning why teams are getting a pass. Plus, they debate whether Compass's push to double-end deals is just standard brokerage strate...

In this episode of Industry Relations , Rob and Greg break down the latest in the ongoing battle over NAR's three-way agreement and how Phoenix Realtors' recent compromise with NAR might reshape the industry. They explore whether this is a true win for NAR or just the beginning of a major shift, debating the rise of the "Freedom Plan" and how it could spread across the country. With bold predictio...

Overview In this special live episode of Industry Relations , Rob and Greg broadcast from the Virtual MLS Summit , where they tackle one of the biggest questions in real estate today: What does "cooperation" mean in a post-settlement world? They explore how the industry's shift away from compensation impacts the role of MLSs, debate the long-standing relationship between brokerages and association...

In this episode of Industry Relations , Rob and Greg dive into one of the most heated debates yet—was NAR's fight for survival a necessary battle, or did it do more harm than good? They analyze the fallout from the settlement, discuss the rise of leaders like Michelle Harrington who are ditching corporate-speak for real talk, and debate whether NAR should have surrendered years ago to avoid the la...

In this episode of Industry Relations , Rob and Greg recap Greg's recent MLS Reset conference and dive into key industry insights. They discuss governance reform, competition between MLSs, data sharing agreements, and bold ideas for innovation in the real estate world. From pitch battles for tech innovation to thought-provoking commentary on leadership, this episode offers plenty of takeaways for...

In this episode of Industry Relations , Rob and Greg navigate the fallout from key legal decisions and the broader implications for the real estate industry. They analyze the Supreme Court's denial of NAR's cert petition, its potential effects on DOJ actions, and how shifting dynamics—such as commission lawsuits and housing market pressures—might reshape the landscape. The conversation also previe...

In this thought-provoking episode of Industry Relations , Rob and Greg explore the seismic changes shaking up the real estate world as Phoenix Realtors challenge the NAR three-way agreement. They delve into the implications of member-driven value propositions, whether NAR can reinvent itself, and the ongoing debate over what truly inspires and retains Realtor memberships. The conversation is a dee...