If You've Come This Far

In the first episode of Season 3, Shaun and Chris talk with Dave Haskin, co-founder of Mindful Man, a Wisconsin-based meditation program. The boys discuss mindfulness, meditation, Bears/Packers, being silent, going to the "range," emerging from addiction, meditation in prisons, Thich Nhat Hanh, and more. Learn more about Dave and Mindful Man and Mindful MenLiving This episode is brought to you by...

In this episode, Shaun and Chris discuss Season 2 and the year ahead.

In this episode, Chris and Shaun welcome Angela Saini, award-winning journalist and author of The Patriarchs, Inferior and other science-based books. Angela and the guys discuss pseudoscience, the origin of the patriarchy, teaching at Harvard and MIT, menopause, the role of the sexes, Canadians and more. You can find Angela's books: The Patriarchs here and Inferior here This episode is brought to...

In this latest episode, Shaun and Chris talk with Dr. Stephen Trzeciak, co-author of Wonder Drug, 7 scientifically proven ways that serving others is the best medicine for yourself. The guys discuss Chris and Steve’s time at Notre Dame, Steve’s experience in the ICU, compassion, data nerds and the power of research, burnout, parochial empathy, sarcasm, being a Live to Giver, and more. You can get...

Chris and Shaun talk with Chris' long time friend, Becky Crowe. The boys chat with Becky about her time as an All-American swimmer at Stanford, the implosion of the Pac-12, her life in education, learning new things at 50, teaching refugees to swim and overcome trauma in Lesbos,, "working with the power of love," and more. Learn more about Yoga and Sport with Refugees and the Swim for Good program...

In episode 14 of season 2, Chris and Shaun talk with Karith Foster, Founder of Inversity Solutions. Karith and the boys discuss the state of DEI, including men in the DEI conversation, being a mom, an entrepreneur, and a stand-up comedian, her time working with Don Imus, using humor to address tough topics and more. Learn more about Karith and Inversity here This episode is brought to you by Judso...

In this episode, Shaun and Chris talk with Emma Varvaloucas, Executive Director of The Progress Network , a non-profit "building an idea movement that speaks to a better future in a world dominated by voices that suggest a worse one." Emma and the boys talk doom scrolling, living in NYC and overseas, Buddhism, journalism, media and the news, anti-pessimism, and more. Learn more about Emma and the...

For the latest episode, Shaun and Chris interview Chuka Emezue. Chuka is an Assistant Professor, Department of Women, Children and Family Nursing, College of Nursing at Rush University, a writer, and entrepreneur. The guys talk about incels, men and nursing, men and violence, using technology for violence prevention, starting a new family, a global masculinity crisis and more. Learn more about Chu...

In episode 11, Chris and Shaun interview Tonia Rivers, founder of the non-profit, Mothers in Construction, an organization dedicated to supporting mothers in the construction industry and empowering young women by providing advocacy, support, education, awareness, and resources. Tonia shares her career path, the start of her organization, being a military spouse, her love of architecture, the chal...

In this episode, the boys interview Jim Schneider, writer, father, husband, Packers fan, and Executive Director of the PCI Mountain States chapter, which covers Colorado, Idaho, Montana, Utah, and Wyoming. Chris and Shaun give Jim shit for loving the Packers, explore the creation of his popular blog, learn about the game of Fencebat, discuss raising a neurodivergent child, discover how Jim met his...

In honor of US Open week, Shaun and Chris interview Shaun's brother, Dean, PGA Tour caddie for young Georgian, Davis Thompson, who will be making his first US Open appearance. The guys talk about what it was like growing up Emerson, Dean's crazy path to being a caddy, the holy trinity of showing up, keeping up, and shutting up, the possibility of carrying a bag at 72, the struggles of doing math i...

In this episode, Chris and Shaun talk with Chris' good friend and bandmate, Dr. Jon Sherman or "Sherm." The guys discuss the power of camp, humor in therapy, treating eating disorders, the absurdity of marriage, working with couples vs. women vs. men and a whole lot more. This episode is brought to you by Judson & Moore, Family Legacy American Whiskey. Born from Boundless Curiosity. Learn more...

The boys have a raucous conversation with Pawley Bornstein, inspirational recovery comedian, host of the RecoveryCast podcast and Alumni Coordinator for Glenbeigh Hospital in Cleveland, Ohio. The guys discuss Ohio roots, Pawley's history with addiction, addiction recovery, Pawley's former job as big market radio host, RecoveryCast, why it's important to love shit sandwiches, cats and more. Listen...

In episode 6, Chris and Shaun talk with Dr. Jason Frishman, therapist and founder of the JourneyMen Foundation. The guys cover Jason's work as a therapist, the power of summer camp, the importance of raising good sons and dads, the beauty of Vermont, adventure therapy and the mission of the JourneyMen Foundation and more. Learn more about Jason and the JourneyMen Foundation here . This episode is...

In episode 5, the fellas interview Joe Conrad, founder and CEO of Denver-based Cactus and Grit Digital Health. Joe shares the origin story of his businesses and Man Therapy, the CDC study analyzing the effectiveness of Man Therapy, the tools Grit is developing to serve the mental health crisis everywhere (for kids, businesses etc) and more. Learn more about Cactus here and Grit Digital Health here...

In episode 4, The boys talk with Nico Lagan. Nico is an entrepreneur, men’s coach, Muay Thai instructor, author of the new book, Purpose, and host of The Nico Lagan Show podcast. The guys explore the concept of purpose, Nico's years alone in the woods, his life on the road, what it means to be a good man, what he seeks to offer men and more. Learn more about Nico and his new book here This episode...

In episode 3, Chris and Shaun talk with Matthew Quick, author of We Are The Light, Silver Linings Playbook and 7 other outstanding novels. Matthew is a powerful guest and the guys talk about his latest book, WATL, masculinity and feminitity, Jungian psychology, the writing process, getting sober, working in Hollywood with Harvey Weinstein and more. Not to be missed. Find Matthew's work here This e...

In this episode, Chris and Shaun talk with Shawn Woodin, MenLiving contributing member and facilitator, husband, father, business executive and author of the novel, Father, Son, Broken Spirit . The boys cover Shawn's work in Peace Corps, the process of writing a novel over 20 years, religion, carnivals, R.E.M and more. You can purchase Shawn's book here. This episode is brought to you by Judson &a...

In episode 1 of season 2, Shaun and Chris interview Dr. Susan Engel, author of The Hungry Mind and the Senior Lecturer in Psychology; Senior Faculty Fellow, Rice Center for Teaching, The Class of 1959 Director of Program in Teaching at Williams College . The boys have a delightful conversation with Susan about curiosity, the educational system, the pandemic, kids being behind (or not), building te...

In Episode 25, the final episode of the season, Shaun and Chris review who they've met, what they've learned, the days ahead, and their plan for selling the podcast to Amazon for $80M (🙄). This episode is brought to you by Judson & Moore, Family Legacy American Whiskey. Born from Boundless Curiosity. Learn more about Judson & Moore here .

It's episode 24 and the guys are talking with the legendary Byron Katie . Katie is the founder of the Work, a simple process of inquiry for alleviating suffering and gaining joy and freedom. Chris and Shaun talk with Katie about her transformation, the impact the Work has had on millions over the last 40 years, and Katie "Works" through a very personal situation. You can learn more about Katie her...

In Episode 23, the boys are joined by Dr. Maggie Emerson, Assistant Professor and an ANCC board certified Advanced Practice Psychiatric Nurse Practitioner at the University of Nebraska Medical Center. Dr. Emerson specializes in the delivery of Integrated Care and is a co-founder of the MIND database, a site dedicated to rating and reviewing mental health apps. Maggie, Chris and Shaun discuss the s...

In Episode 22, Chris and Shaun talk with Darryl Postelnick aka TikTok's Cooking With Darryl. They discuss Darryl's social media rise, his work with Disney and Microsoft, gadgets, his and Shaun's friendship, how he interacts with his 2.7M followers and how funny he is (or thinks he is!). This episode is brought to you by Half Acre Brewery. Check out the wonderful beers here on Half Acre's website....

In this episode, Chris and Shaun are joined by friend and MenLiving Executive Director, Todd Adams, to explore the last lecture of Father Michael Himes. Father Himes was a theologian, philosopher and an instructor at both the University of Notre Dame and Boston College. He made an enormous impact on Chris when he was a student at Notre Dame and on all of us as fans of his "last lecture." They disc...

In this latest episode, the guys meet with Dr. Saed Hill , Assistant Director of Prevention and Masculine Engagement for Northwestern University's CARE program. The conversation covers Saed's upbringing, the NU Men's program, sexual consent, prevention vs. engagement, smoked meat, restrictive masculinity and more... Learn more about Dr. Saed Hill , and his NU Men program , a critical examination o...