Husband in Law

In this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica will dive into Matt’s backstory and where he’s at with his relationships. They’ll start off by reading a few great reviews from some of their rabid listeners and then get into the nine months that Matt was separated from his ex-wife before they eventually got divorced. Matt will get vulnerable and share what he went through when he found out that she was u...

In this episode, Matt, Steve and Jessica will bring Steve’s sister Suzi onto the show to share her perspective during the time Steve was coming out and during Jessica and Steve's divorce. Steve and Suzi start off by sharing their fondest memories of each other when they were growing up. They will then dive into Suzi’s side of things about Steve and Jessica’s marriage and how it progressed up u...

In this episode, Matt and Jessica go along with Steve in a self-exploration process to understand a little bit more about the time he just came out of the closet with his family and why he felt so incapable of receiving support from his loved ones? For Steve, coming out of the closet in front of his parent and his church was one of the most difficult experiences ever and so, in the anticipation of...

In this episode, Steve and Jessica will open up about what happened when Jessica and Penny went to Steve’s parents’ house where everyone, including Steve’s siblings, was waiting to stage an intervention to find out how they could support Steve. Steve was not okay and could not see his self worth, and Jessica knew he needed to be loved by his family members, so she made sure they knew everything th...

In this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica will start off by sharing some of the numerous awesome reviews they’ve received on iTunes and Steve will share his deep concerns about the issue of gay people who are afraid to come out choosing to commit suicide. Steve and Jessica will then talk about the period when they officially split and Jessica moved away from Oklahoma with Penny. Before the move, t...

In this episode, Steve and Jessica will talk about the point at which their marriage finally ended and the events that led to that. It all started when they moved to Oklahoma and living in a hotel before they could move into their new house, and Steve cheated with a guy he met. He expected to be repulsed by the whole experience, but he ended up embracing it, and he had to tell Jessica about it so...

In this episode, Matt, Steve, Jessica will pick up where they left off on the previous episode, talking about how Steve and Jessica progressed in Colorado Springs. They’ll dive into Jessica’s creativity side hustle while Steve was away at work and what it was like for him to slowly come out as gay to people - including the “Same-Gender Attraction Group”. Then comes Toby... ...The Volkswagen bus th...

In this episode, Steve will share his experience with wanting to get the love and support of his loved ones when he came out, and how that applies to relationships in general. Matt and Jessica will share their thoughts on that and dive into how it affects people. They will also talk about their long and short term goals, and how important it is for someone to sit down and write out their goals so...

In this episode, Matt, Jessica, and Steve will talk about relationships and how difficult they can be to build. Jessica and Steve will share the ups and downs they went through in developing their relationship when they were married, up to the point they’re at now. It’s going to be a super interesting story of the good and bad times they had all through their marriage, and how they relate with eac...

In this episode, Jessica and Steve will talk about their move from Belize to Colorado Springs, how they adjusted themselves to the new environment, and the ups and downs they went through. They also dive extensively into Steve’s past struggles with pornography and being gay, while sharing how he overcame all that. Tune in and enjoy. Highlights of the discussion: Steve’s new job after moving from B...

In this episode, Jessica and Steve will share the story of how their daughter Penny was born. Penny’s arrival was a week late and it had been announced that the destructive hurricane Ida was headed their way. Listen in as they dive into how hectic the duration of the pregnancy was, the highly stressful situation that surrounded Penny’s birth in Belize, and how scary and emotional it was for Steve....

In this episode, Matt discusses how the separation left him tired and exhausted, which happens to just about tally with how Jessica felt upon her split with Steve. Was the situation negatively affecting Matt so much that he was becoming a broken version of himself? Fortunately for him and his kids, his parents and his extended family rose up to the occasion to pick the pieces up. This episode defi...

In this episode, Matt shares the rest of his story and dives into his open-mindedness about Steve and Jessica’s relationship. With Jessica and Steve’s contributions, they talk about how important that is and the impact it has had on each of them. Matt talks about his marriage to his ex-wife and what it was like, and all the ups and downs he went through in that marriage. This is gonna be a great l...

In this episode, Matt, Jessica, and Steve will share part two of their conversation with Natalie Hodson on her Pulling Back the Curtain Podcast. They will dive into everything from religion, divorce, and dating, with each one sharing their own personal experiences on those topics, while Natalie will talk about how she is making all types of relationships work in her life. Matt, Jessica and Steve w...

In this episode, Matt, Jessica and Steve will share the conversation they had with Natalie Hodson on her Pulling Back the Curtain Podcast. They will talk about everything from religion, divorce, and dating, with each one sharing their own personal experiences on those topics. Matt, Jessica and Steve will also talk about their very atypical relationship and how they co-parent together while maintai...

In this episode, Matt will talk about his first marriage and life after his mission to Guatemala. He will talk about his college experiences and dive into how he met an eight months pregnant woman, started dating her, stood by her even during her delivery, and ended up marrying her. It’s a super interesting story. Enjoy it. Highlights of the discussion: Focusing on Matt (02:37) Deciding not to com...

In this episode, Jessica and Steve will talk about the cool experience they had when they moved to Belize after Steve was offered a job as an operations manager in a beachfront resort in San Pedro. They didn’t love their jobs that much at the time, and they had been trying to get a baby with no success, so when the resort job came up, they just decided to pack up and leave for Belize. They will ta...

In this episode, Jessica, and Steve will talk about their first year of marriage, having a blast in college and actually completing college debt free because they were doing so well for themselves. Jessica will then share the story of how she came upon Steve’s gay porn on the computer while he was away at work. Back then, Steve hadn’t yet come to terms with the fact that he was gay, and he was dev...

In this episode, Matt, Jessica, and Steve will talk about the Boise Gay Pride Festival and what their experiences were. Steve will dive into being deeply involved in organizing the different pride festivals that have been held in the past and all the challenges they go through. The three of them, with Steve’s guidance, will then demystify the societal misconceptions about so much relating to the L...

In this episode, Stephanie May (we mentioned her in the last episode. Remember?) comes on to talk about how she introduced Steve and Jessica to each other. Steph will ask Steve and Jessica a range of questions just to get a better understanding of what really happened that led to their eventual divorce. It’s gonna be a hilarious one. You won’t wanna miss it. Highlights of the discussion: The third...

So, how did Steve and Jessica even meet in the first place?! In this episode, Steve and Jessica will dive into how they met and how their relationship developed - ultimately leading to their marriage. Through deliberate effort by Steve (he was admittedly intrigued by Jessica), they met back in college and the story of how they got to the point where they got married and honeymooned in Victor, Idah...

In this episode, Steve, Jessica and Matt will introduce themselves and each of them will give their back history. They will talk about their childhoods, the things that really impacted them in a big way as they were growing up, and what makes them tick. They’re going to share their great co-parenting experiences and how they relate cordially amongst themselves. Highlights of the discussion: All ab...

This was the time of the most turmoil and stress in Jessica and Steve's marriage. It was the breaking point. Steve had an affair with a man in hopes that it would shut down the gay side of himself, but the reality was quite the opposite. As with everything in their relationship, they put everything out on the table and discussed how they could move on from this. The problem was, neither of the...