Human Nature Odyssey

Civilization is an interactive immersive experience. Worldbuilding isn't just for sci-fi and fantasy, but how we can change our society. Abraham Burickson, co-founder of Odyssey Works —an organization dedicated to crafting personalized, immersive experiences—has long been captivated by the transformative power of design. Whether in the structure of a building or the verses of a poem, he explores h...

In this very special episode, author Daniel Quinn's wife Rennie Mackay Quinn joins us for her first ever interview: sharing untold stories, new insights, and reflections on her life and journey with her beloved late husband & Daniel Quinn. Rennie tells us about the 15 years it took Daniel to write Ishmael , the childhood dream that sparked it , how the word "hamburger" changed their lives, how the...

In this climactic culmination of the Ishmael series, we ask the question : how do we transform an entire society? Ishmael doesn't give us the "10 Simple Steps to Save the World" instead, he offers us a map and compass to navigate our intergenerational civilizational transformation ourselves. Where we go from here is up to us. We'll meet the fantastical Prince who first concocted the criminal justi...

Is it possible to build a civilization that flies? (metaphorically speaking of course) How did we eventually learn to fly? It wasn't by defying gravity and disobeying aerodynamics but by learning how to work with them.  Daniel Quinn, in his novel Ishmael, argues there are laws of nature that we have to learn to live within, rather than resist, if we are to continue as a society. In this episode we...

Who first told the story of the Garden of Eden? Could it have been a way to explain the unfolding Agricultural Revolution from the perspective of the people who were there? The Garden of Eden has been told and retold for thousands of years. Why do we keep telling it? With insight from modern biblical scholarship, we investigate the origins of this ancient story and what warning this active myth st...

In this episode we take a step back from Ishmael to better view the philosophical context it was written in. We explore the history of the terms "civilized" and "primitive" and how their definitions have evolved over time. Topics include: Rome's influence on Western European colonization, noble savage theory, primitivism, and the rise of the identity "indigenous". When we say civilization who do w...

Ishmael theorizes our culture is held captive by a story, a mythology we take for granted, act out every day, and is leading to the destruction of the world. So in this episode we tell this story out loud, from beginning, to middle, to end.  Along the way we chat with a 6-year-old animal expert, discuss adult imaginary games, analyze the subliminal cultural messages conveyed in religion and philos...

Why can't we seem to stop destroying the world? Like seriously though? Ishmael, the telepathic gorilla from Daniel Quinn's philosophical novel, suggests we're captives of a society where our individual society depends on our collective destruction. As we embark on our quest through the landscape of ideas in Quinn's novel, we'll travel to a dystopian future where Nazi Germany won the war, meet our...

We're all on our own quest to live more meaningful, healthy, and fruitful lives. To more fully understand the situation we're in, we're going to have to expand our scope in geography and time. This is a sociological examination of the personal, and a psychological examination of the social. Alex takes you back in time to a fateful childhood summer when the world was a magical place to explore, yet...

You are living the latest chapter in a 10,000 year story. Join storyteller Alex Leff on a search for better ways to understand and more clearly experience the incredible, terrifying, and ridiculous world we live in. The first stop on our quest through a landscape of ideas and stories is the 1992 novel Ishmael by Daniel Quinn about a telepathic gorilla with great hope for humanity. Next episodes ev...