The Sophia Society

Holy Heretics: Losing Religion and Finding Jesus

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Holy Heretics seeks to foster honest conversations about the state of religion in the 21st century. We interview experts, spiritual seekers, scholars, and activists in our quest to examine just exactly how modern-day Christianity lost the Way of Jesus while also discovering how it can be regained through subversive thought and action.

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Apr 6, 2026

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Ep. 71: Reconstruct Faith Your Way w/ Angela J. Herrington 29.01.2024

Episode Summary Have you ever wanted someone to sit with you by the fire and watch your old religious beliefs go up in flames? Maybe you’ve longed for a guide or a coach to help you navigate all this wandering in the spiritual wilderness. If so, then this week’s episode is what you need right now! Faith deconstruction coach Angela J. Herrington joins me to talk about life after evangelicalism, and...

Ep. 70 This is the Way: Contemplative Christianity w/ Father Brendan Williams 15.01.2024

Episode Summary Have you ever paused long enough to consider why you continue pursuing the spiritual path? After all the scandals, abuse, religious trauma, and oppressive theology, why are you still here? This same question hit me last week during church and I didn’t have a profound answer. For whatever reason, I just can’t quit my search for the Sacred. I bet you’ve asked a similar question, or a...

Ep. 69 We Don’t Have to Live This Way w/ Derrick Jensen 12.12.2023

Episode Summary: Living in the United States is a daily dose of trauma. Our nation is philosophically and pragmatically built on injustice, coercion, lies, oppression, exploitation, violence, dehumanization, and planetary destruction. Do we ever stop to think about how messed up the world is? The answer, of course, is an overwhelming no. We are living in what theologian John Dominic Crossan called...

Ep. 68 Finding Your True Self w/ Heather Hamilton 28.11.2023

Episode Summary Have you ever paused long enough to consider that maybe, just maybe you are living a lie? Is it possible that your outer shell, or your outer identity isn’t really you after all? What if all your coping mechanisms that have come to shape your identity isn’t the real you? Maybe you’ve spent your life operating out of your false self based purely on survival, but is that who you were...

Ep. 67 What is Christian Mysticism? w/ Keith Giles 06.11.2023

Episode Summary One of the paths available to you post-evangelicalism is mysticism, a spirituality that in many ways is almost the direct antithesis of evangelical Christianity. If evangelicalism was all about certainty, apologetics, Biblicism, and defending your faith at all costs, Christian mysticism can be defined by unknowing, mystery, paradox, and direct experience with the Sacred. Mystics kn...

Ep. 66 Saving Democracy From Her Christian Enemies w/ Dr. David Gushee 16.10.2023

Episode Summary Authoritarianism is on the rise all across the world. Here in America, the leading proponents of anti-democratic ideology are evangelical Christians who have been swept up in the cult of Donald Trump. Driven by a dominator theology and good old-fashioned white supremacy, conservative Christians can be counted on as the leading supporters of dictatorial politics. As Dr. David Gushee...

Ep. 65 Jaded: A Reckoning with White Evangelicalism w/ Marla Taviano 25.04.2023

OK, I'll admit it right up front, this is a heavy episode. This one feels like a therapy session processing through the anger, the rage, the bitterness, and all your past complicity in white evangelical Christianity. If you haven't noticed yet, one of the pit stops on the deconstruction road is animosity. You finally wake up to all the harmful ways evangelical Christianity has impacted your life a...

Ep. 64: What Are God’s Pronouns? w/ Gary Alan Taylor 04.04.2023

Episode Summary In the second-part of our conversation about the Divine Feminine, we look at the ramifications of believing God is a guy. Institutional Christianity has given us God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit, a triune male God with “He/Him” pronouns. And this male dominated theology has created a male dominator culture that manifests itself politically, socially, sexually, r...

Ep. 63: God Our Mother w/ Gary Alan Taylor 21.03.2023

Episode Summary Have you ever paused to wonder why it was always God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit—a trio of divine beings known only as “He” and “Him?” This should cause us to ask a basic question. Why is God so overwhelmingly referred to as a He in institutional Christianity, as well as in Judaism? Did you know that from ancient times God was first known as our Mother, and sus...

Ep. 62: Resisting American Apartheid w/ Dr. Miguel De La Torre 21.02.2023

Episode Summary We continue our march toward the marginalized this week with another conversation with Dr. Miguel De La Torre about the future of American political identity. As a Lantinx scholar, Miguel sees a future in which American society is run by white Christian nationalist elites at the expense of everyone who is 'the other.' Much like South African Apartheid, America could become a nation...

Ep. 61: We Resist: The Power of Nonviolent Resistance w/ Gary Alan Taylor 07.02.2023

Contrary to what many assume, peace isn’t meekness in the face of evil it is the courageous and oftentimes creative task of disarmament. Active peacemaking is a way to fight against injustice without using violence. It is using the transformative force of love to resist oppression. It says that the means are the ends, that the way to peace is peace itself . “Love of enemies does not necessarily ea...

Ep. 60 (Part Two): Transgender and Christian? w/ Natalie Drew 24.01.2023

Episode Summary In the second installment of our conversation with Natalie Drew, we move deeper into her gender transition and how it impacted her marriage, career, and spiritual journey. If you haven’t checked out Part One, go back and listen now before moving forward into this episode! We answer several questions including, can you be Christian and transgender and what might it look like to tran...

Ep. 60: Transgender and Christian? w/ Natalie Drew 09.01.2023

CW : We discuss trauma, addiction, suicidal ideation, abuse, and other topics that may be triggering. Please listen at your own discretion. A lot of times on our show, we discuss theological matters that mostly reside in your head, but this episode is altogether very different. This conversation is personal, it’s raw, it’s painful, it’s the deeply transformative work of an individual who fought to...

Ep. 59: Queer Jesus w/ Maki Ashe Van Steenwyk 27.12.2022

CW : Adult Language. Christians were never meant to be normal, we've always been "holy troublemakers" who do not accept the world as it is but who insist on the world becoming the way God wants it to be. In the words of our friends at The Center for Prophetic Imagination , “A world where all walls of alienation are torn down as we live justly with one another.” From the very beginning, Jesus calle...

Ep. 58: Becoming Fully Human w/ Barbara Brown Taylor 13.12.2022

Episode Summary Barbara Brown Taylor is who you want to be when you grow up. Her life is a legacy of wisdom and wonder, walking the long road toward becoming fully human. In this intimate conversation that is more memoir than interview, she looks back on a long pilgrimage of faith while sharing some of the secrets she’s found along the way. As she reminds us, “This is not the life I planned or the...

Ep. 57: Meeting Jewish Jesus For the First Time w/ Dr. Amy Jill Levine 29.11.2022

One of the great ironies of the Christian religion is that the person Christians worship isn’t a Christian. Jesus was born, raised, and died a Jew. He might even find it odd that an entire new religion grew up out of his short life and painful death. He is without question, the most popular person to have ever walked the earth. But what do we really know about this first century Galilean? If we ar...

Ep. 56: Being Transgender in a Binary World w/ Dr. Roberto Che Espinoza 15.11.2022

Episode Summary "In the Beginning, God created male and female." Evangelicals have used this one verse as a weapon in their war on transgender individuals. But a closer look offers a far more inclusive interpretation. It is true that God made both male and female. God also made light and dark, the land and sea, skies and earth, and guess what? God also made EVERYTHING in between like rivers, lakes...

Ep. 55: God is a Black Woman w/ Dr. Christena Cleveland 01.11.2022

“The Spirit of God, She has made me, and the breath of the nursing God, She gives me life.” - Job 33:4 When you close your eyes and envision God, who do you see? Like me, you probably envision God as an old, white male sitting on a throne looking down from on high with an air of judgment and anger toward the world. This is the god of authoritarianism, patriarchy, domination, and purity culture and...

Ep. 54: Finding God in the Margins w/ Gary Alan Taylor 18.10.2022

We're excited to drop the first episode of Season Three of Holy Heretics with host Gary Alan Taylor! We are dedicating this year to marginalized voices who have either been muzzled by conventional Christianity or who have been pushed to the periphery of faith. People whose voices, bodies, race, gender, or sexuality make them dangerous to the status quo.  In this introductory episode, we invit...

Ep. 53 Do I Stay Christian? w/Brian McLaren 28.06.2022

At some point in your deconstruction journey, you are probably going to be faced with the question, "Do I stay Christian or do I walk away from this movement altogether?" If that is where you are today, this episode is for you. It's been a minute since Western Christianity has looked anything like Jesus. For the last 1,700 years Christianity has been known more its violence, patriarchy, domination...

Ep. 52 White God, Brown Jesus: Decolonizing Christianity w/ Dr. Miguel De La Torre 31.05.2022

The vast majority of Americans worship the white god—the god of Christian nationalism, white supremacy, domination, patriarchy, wealth, power, and colonization. The god of guns and empire, the god that exists to make white men great again. It shouldn’t surprise anyone that powerful white people created a god in their own image, in the image of white men has this god been created. As Dr. Miguel De...

Ep. 50: The Making of a Mystic with Kevin Sweeney 03.05.2022

In the 1960's, Jesuit priest Karl Rahner made a bold claim about the future of faith. "The Christian of the future will either be a mystic, or nothing at all." Who could have guessed that sixty years later the deconstruction community would turn his statement into reality through the modern pursuit of mysticism.  Apologetic, rational, belief-based Christianity can only get you so far. In fact...

Ep. 49: ReWilding And Refugia: Healing Our Sacred Earth w/ Dr. Debra Rienstra 19.04.2022

People have been sounding the alarm for climate change for generations. The earth is permanently altered by human hands. But if we have the power to hurt the earth, we share the power to heal her.  Drawing on our spiritual tradition, Dr. Debra Rienstra encourages us to adapt our spiritual practices and faith to life on an altered planet. From consuming to healing, stewarding to co-creation, o...

Ep. 48: Why I Deconstructed Evangelicalism w/ Dr. David Gushee 05.04.2022

Those of us in the deconstruction community have been accused of many things over the last few years by individuals and institutions in the evangelical establishment. We've been accused of deconstructing our faith because we want to sin more, or that we have a rebellious nature, or we just want to have sex with anything and anyone, or that we've been corrupted by a liberal agenda. None of these cl...

Ep. 47: Saving Jesus From Evangelicals w/ Dr. Robin Meyers 22.03.2022

It's really hard to call yourself a Christian these days. But when you are a minister in conservative Oklahoma and call yourself a kind of “atheist,” well that’s a whole other issue! Reverend Dr. Robin Meyers is one of many progressive voices that laid the groundwork for the deconstruction movement. And for him, it all started by asking one question: “The question isn’t what is a Christian, but ra...

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