Abby DeGroot & Dave Mulder

Hallway Conversations

We are three friends who have been teaching for quite a while, but we still have lots of questions about education. This is our place for thinking out loud about topics we think are important for Christian teachers to consider. Welcome to the conversation!

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Abby DeGroot & Dave Mulder

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Education

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Latest episode

May 13, 2026

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Episodes

Episode 108: Teaching for (and from?) Transformation: A Conversation with Darryl De Boer 10.04.2024

This week we are privileged to host our friend, Darryl De Boer, as a special guest. Darryl is a longtime leader in Christian schools, and currently serves as Director of Learning at Surrey Christian School in Surrey, British Columbia. Darryl is also a Senior Fellow at the Center for the Advancement of Christian Education where he serves as the Director of Teaching for Transformation. Darryl is one...

Episode 107: Teacher Leadership (or, why Abby is an effective leader, even though she never wants to be a principal) 27.03.2024

We start off today’s episode by checking in about our spring break shenanigans; we were all out traveling, and found it a wonderful time to recharge–a good reminder for us (and hopefully for you too!) that we need to take breaks, get a change of scenery, and recharge. The main topic for our discussion today came from Dave’s questions: “What is teacher leadership? And how do teachers function as le...

Episode 106: Attracting and Retaining Great Teachers: A Conversation with Chad Dirkse 13.03.2024

This week we are privileged to host our friend, Chad Dirkse, as a special guest. Chad is a longtime school leader in Christian schools, and currently serves as Head of School at Annapolis Area Christian School where he serves more than 870 students and 100 staff. Chad is an expert in management and has a wealth of wisdom to share about both recruiting and retaining really excellent faculty members...

Episode 105: Empowering Learners (Recorded with a Live Audience at Sioux Falls Christian School!) 28.02.2024

We took the show on the road recently as we had the opportunity to provide some professional development workshops with our friends at Sioux Falls Christian School, and while we were there, they invited us to record an episode with their whole PreK-12 faculty. We had a great time, as usual! (Our apologies for the slightly less-than-optimal audio quality that comes with recording in a large room.)...

Episode 104: Power in the Classroom (or, why Dave is a “whimsical” teacher) 14.02.2024

In this episode we begin with a check-in about our favorite fashion choices from our high school days that we kind of wish would come around again. (You might be surprised…or maybe not at all!) From that silliness, we take a hard turn into a very serious topic–power in the classroom. Dave set the stage by sharing a quote from a book that got him thinking about the nature of power, how teachers use...

Episode 103: The Good Old Days (or, why Abby is the in-between generation, even though she never owned a flip phone) 31.01.2024

Welcome to Season 8! We’re excited to be back with you for another set of hallway conversations. We start off with a check-in about what sparked joy for us since the last time we’ve been recording, and we hope this is an encouragement for you all to practice check-ins with your students and/or colleagues as well. Matt brought the question for our discussion this week, asking us to think about how...

Bonus: Christmas in the Hallway, 2023 20.12.2023

It’s Christmastime! Thanks so much for listening in throughout 2023, friends, and we hope that this Christmas season will be full of peace, love, and joy for you. We hope that this short episode is a word of encouragement that will bless you as you close out 2023. We are taking a break for a few weeks, but will be back in the studio in late January with some new and exciting things to share with y...

Episode 102: Assessment Imaginings (or, ”Are we teaching students? Or teaching students to take tests?”) 06.12.2023

This week, kind of an old-school Hallway Conversation like we did back in the early days of the show: Dave springs a question about assessment on Abby and Matt, and we just think out loud together about what assessment really, and what it is “for.” In particular, a conversation Dave had with a friend who is a K-12 teacher sparked a wondering about “just how much time should we devote to assessing...

Episode 101: Stories of Thanksgiving and Encouragement 22.11.2023

This week: three short pieces stitched together that we hope will prompt a little thanksgiving, and will give you a word of encouragement for the work you are called to do as an educator. This episode includes a section we snipped out of our previous episode in which we interviewed our friend, Lynn Swaner. (See episode 099 - it’s a really good one!) It also includes two short pieces from Dave’s no...

Episode 100: A LIVE Hallway Conversation! - Recorded in front of a live audience at the Christian Educators’ Association Conference 08.11.2023

It’s our 100th episode!!! We’re proud–and a little surprised, honestly–that we’ve made it to this milestone. Thanks to you loyal listeners for being with us throughout the journey to this point! Coincidentally, we had the joy of recording a live episode at the Christian Educators’ Association Convention held in South Bend, Indiana in October 2023, which became a fun celebration for our 100th episo...

Episode 099: A Conversation with Lynn Swaner (or, “It really is a very nice hallway you have here.”) 25.10.2023

This week was a treat for us: the opportunity to have our good friend, Lynn Swaner, joining us for a recording session while she was on our campus. Lynn serves as Chief Strategy and Innovation Office at the Association of Christian Schools International. She is one of the co-authors of the book Flourishing Together, which we read and discussed on the podcast in the spring of 2022 (see episodes 056...

Episode 098: Walking the Camino, part II (or, education as pilgrimage) 11.10.2023

This week is part two of our conversation with our co-host Abby De Groot along with our friends Rikki Brons and Gayle Doornbos as they share about their adventure this summer on pilgrimage on the Camino de Santiago in Spain. We recommend that you go back and listen to our last episode before diving into part two of the conversation. In this part of the conversation, we focus on what pilgrimage is,...

Episode 097: Walking the Camino, part I (or, pilgrimage is both an individual and communal exercise) 27.09.2023

This week’s episode is a special first part of a two-part episode. We have a couple of friends joining us today, Dr. Rikki Brons and Dr. Gayle Doornbos. Abby, Rikki, and Gayle adventured together this summer, going on a pilgrimage on the Camino de Santiago in Spain. The Camino is an ancient pilgrimage route traveled by Christians for centuries, and this was no vacation: this was a spiritual and ed...

Episode 096: Our Favorite Podcasts (or, why Dave Mulder dominates at trivia) 13.09.2023

So…we were a little punchy recording this episode, because it was Friday afternoon and it had been a long week. We hope you enjoy a little extra silliness and bantering back and forth! This episode is in response to a question from a listener; Mike asked us to share some of the podcasts we love (besides this one) and were happy to share. There are a wide range of different ideas here, but we think...

Episode 095: Reflections and Beginnings and Ongoing Development (or, ”into the newness”) 30.08.2023

Welcome to Season 7! It’s been awhile since we’ve been able to get together around the microphones, but we are excited to dive into more conversations with you. Matt kicks off the new season by sharing a recent podcast episode that got him thinking deeply about the importance of reflection, and the surprising power of reflection for solidifying our understanding and learning. This prompted us to d...

Summer 2023 Replay: What’s the Value in Project-Based Learning? 09.08.2023

Greetings, loyal listeners! We are still in full summer mode, but don't worry--more new episodes coming your way soon. This week is a replay of a popular episode from about one year into this podcasting adventure; hopefully, you'll enjoy re-listening (or perhaps listening for the first time!)  And so, for today, one from the archives. Our main topic in this episode was sparked by a question from a...

Episode 094: More Encouragement for Novice Teachers (and the difference between ”good” and ”great?”) 26.07.2023

This is a new episode, but perhaps a little different than most! We have had a terrible time getting the three of us to be in the same place at the same time with the mindset and wherewithal to record new episodes. (Never fear–new episodes are coming soon! Once we’re all back from our summer travels, we’ll get back into our normal routine.) :-) In the meantime, this one is made up of two elements:...

Summer 2023 Replay: Good Teaching Can’t Be Reduced to Technique (Can It?) 12.07.2023

Greetings, loyal listeners! We are into full summer mode now, but don't worry--more new episodes coming your way soon. This week is a replay of a popular episode from about one year into this podcasting adventure; hopefully, you'll enjoy re-listening (or perhaps listening for the first time!)  And so, for today, one from the archives. In this episode, we begin by reflecting on our first year of po...

Episode 093: Advice for a Novice Teacher (or, eating the elephant one bite at a time) 28.06.2023

This episode was prompted by an email we had from Emma, a recent college graduate with a bunch of great questions, seeking our advice for how to navigate the beginnings of entering this profession. She had some great questions–thanks for asking them, Emma! We offer our on-the-spot advice to a variety of questions, from how to get to know the culture of the building, to getting how to build relatio...

Summer 2023 Replay: Changing Our Minds 14.06.2023

Greetings, loyal listeners! We are into full summer mode now, but don't worry--more new episodes coming your way soon. We plan to work around our travel schedules and different pace of the summer months, and we will still have an episode for your listening pleasure every other week as has become our pattern. But we probably be alternating new episodes and replays throughout the summer--hopefully,...

Episode 092: “During Our Careers, So Many Things Changed!” - A Conversation with Kim and Ed Starkenburg 31.05.2023

After our last episode where we interviewed two of our graduates who are right at the beginning of their careers, we thought it could be interesting to hear from some folks who are wrapping up long careers as professional educators. So we were delighted that our good friends, Kim and Ed Starkenburg, were willing to join us for this episode! Kim and Ed recently retired from teaching after 40+ years...

Episode 091: Adventures in Becoming a Teacher (or, jump into the deep end and just start treading!) 17.05.2023

In this episode, we were blessed to be joined by two of our now-graduated students, Shanoah De Waard and Josh Schouten. These are two amazing people who are right at the beginning of their careers as professional educators. We were so delighted to have had the opportunity to teach these two, and even more delighted to have them join us on the show! It was wonderful for the three of us to get to vi...

Episode 090: A Christian Approach to Athletics? (Is it the great race to nowhere? Or a chance for redeeming culture?) 03.05.2023

This week, we are joined by our friend and colleague, Ross Douma, who serves as Director of Athletics at Dordt University. Ross is a longtime educator and coach in both faith-based and public schools, and has a wealth of insight and experience to share. We asked Ross to share some of his vision for a distinctively Christian approach to athletics, and he has plenty of wisdom to share. If you are a...

Episode 089: Efficient and Effective Grading (or, maybe we could just stop grading everything??) 19.04.2023

Our discussion this week was sparked by a hallway conversation about all the grading we are doing these days. Abby shared a couple of resources (posted below) that she has shared with the future teachers we serve–some really good prompts! As we looked at these pieces, we saw many ways we are already implementing some of these strategies, and some strategies we might like to try in the future as we...

Episode 088: Math Anxiety and ”Mathletes”: A Conversation with Dr. Val Zonnefeld 05.04.2023

This week, we are joined with our good friend and colleague, Dr. Val Zonnefeld, who teaches in the Dordt University Department of Mathematics. Her expertise is in math education, and she teaches multiple courses for the future teachers in our program–both math content, and math methods. We start this episode by sharing our own “math stories”: the good, the bad, and the ugly. Val has extensive know...

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