Getting to Third Space with Lamar and Tom

The 2024 Presidential Election The 2024 Presidential Election is over. It’s been a long and eventful political season. In this episode Lamar and Tom discuss their thoughts on it. About This Episode They also talk about errant tumbleweeds, meteors (or possibly space junk), and upcoming podcasts.  Please note: In the last few minutes of the podcast, a software issue caused our images to "flip" (chan...

Wow, life happens and sometimes it can be exciting even if it is disruptive. In our case it has been both exciting and disruptive, and we needed to suspend our podcast briefly but we are working our way back. We’ve recorded this brief podcast to catch you up on what has been happening. And, wow, have we missed a lot of stuff while we’ve been away. We are taking a brief hiatus but we’ll be back soo...

Whether we like it, love it, or hate it, we are now in the midst of a full-blown Presidential campaign. The news just keeps happening. After the assassination attempt on former President Donald Trump, President Joe Biden decided to end his run for a second term. He endorsed his Vice President, Kamala Harris, and all political parties are now in full campaign mode. As a result, conversations about...

Welcome to Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom! As we were preparing for our next podcast, former President Donald Trump survived an assassination attempt in Butler, Pennsylvania. One bullet grazed his right ear and bullets struck three people in the audience. One died and two others were seriously wounded. In this episode, Lamar and Tom talk about the escalation of violent rhetoric in the...

Welcome to Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom! CONTENT ADVISORY: THIS EPISODE OF GETTING TO 3RD SPACE WITH LAMAR AND TOM DISCUSSES A MASS SHOOTING, WITH FATALITIES, AND ITS AFTERMATH.  In our last podcast we started a conversation with Lamar about the February 25, 2016 mass shooting at Excel Industries in Hesston, Kansas. Lamar was the Director of Human Resources at Excel and his leadersh...

Welcome to Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom! CONTENT ADVISORY: THIS EPISODE OF GETTING TO 3RD SPACE WITH LAMAR AND TOM DISCUSSES A MASS SHOOTING, WITH FATALITIES, AND ITS AFTERMATH. On February 25, 2016, Lamar Roth, cohost of Getting to 3rd Space with Lamar and Tom, was Director of Human Resources for Excel Manufacturing in Hesston, Kansas. Cedric Ford, an Excel employee, entered the bu...

Lamar and Tom talk with Kansas State Senator Carolyn McGinn In today’s podcast Lamar and Tom welcome Kansas State Senator Carolyn McGinn. Senator McGinn has represented the 31st District as a Republican since 2005. Prior to serving in the Kansas Senate, she was a Sedgwick County Commissioner. She and her husband, Mark, own and operate McGinn’s Grapes and Grain , a family farm outside of Wichita, K...

Welcome to Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom! If you are in the United States, it is a holiday (Memorial Day). Tom’s out chasing a golf ball around a local golf course and Lamar is out taking more beautiful photos. At least, that’s what we hope we are doing today. In our absence, we are offering a redux of one of our earliest podcasts from October 21, 2023. We titled it Barriers, Bears,...

About Today’s Episode - A Table Talk on Gun Regulation Today’s show features a Table Talk about gun regulation. You’ll remember that Table Talk is a new, occasional feature that we’ll include in Getting to Third Space. It was inspired by the kitchen table in the farm homes we grew up in where it was a central gathering place. Not only did we eat there, but we played games, entertained guests, and...

Welcome to Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom!  In this episode we introduce a new feature for the podcast: Table Talk. In the farm homes where we both grew up, the kitchen table was a central gathering place. Not only did we eat there, but we played games, entertained guests, and had conversations. Sometimes the conversations were light and fun. Sometimes they were serious conversations...

Welcome to Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom! In this podcast Lamar and Tom tackle the subject of perception and reality. They talk about how one’s perception informs, even creates, their reality and how that can impact one’s credibility in dialogue and conversation. Learn more:  Links to items related to the show, for example:  What we know: South Carolina's SEC tourney ends with fi...

Welcome to Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom! Technology can be either a friend or foe in Third Space dialogues. In this show Lamar and Tom pick up on a comment from a listener who felt we were missing an important point in having Third Space dialogues: the role of technology in communication. Today Lamar and Tom explore the ways it can be useful and not so useful in Third Space. Learn m...

Welcome to Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom! You know that a Third Space is a place of conversation and dialogue where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and respectful inquiry. If this is a Third Space, what does a First and Second space look like? That’s the question Lamar and Tom explore in this episode. What do you think? How does your experience of Fi...

Welcome to Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom! This is part 2 of our conversation with Ed Shrager. In this podcast Lamar & Tom talk with Ed from his home in London. Ed is a Charity Culture Catalyst who works with charities (nonprofits) in the United Kingdom to help them strengthen their organizational culture. Through resources and facilitation he helps them create more human and huma...

Welcome to Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom! In this podcast Lamar & Tom talk with Ed Shrager from his home in London. Ed is a Charity Culture Catalyst who works with charities (nonprofits) in the United Kingdom to help them strengthen their organizational culture. Through resources and facilitation he helps them create more human and humane organizations for employees and their cli...

Welcome to Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom! In this podcast Lamar & Tom talk about third spaces and third places. explore what and where the third space is and if we just visit or if we reside there. During our interview with Seth Kaplan in the last podcast, he responded to a question about what Tom and I could do to build trust in communities. Seth suggested that it is important t...

Welcome to Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom! This is the second part of a two-part interview with Seth Kaplan, who is the author of a new book titled “Fragile Neighborhoods.” Seth Kaplan is recognized globally for his expertise in “fragile states” and has applied some of his understanding of fragile states to the neighborhoods in which people live. If you haven’t listened to Part 1, we...

Isn't it time you checked us out? Join Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus (two former clergy, former counselors, and still lifelong friends) in this newish podcast on how to talk with one another. Together they explore how to get to a Third Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one anothe...

Welcome to Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom! To kick-off Season 2, Lamar & Tom have a special guest. Seth Kaplan is the author of a new book titled “Fragile Neighborhoods.” Seth Kaplan is recognized globally for his expertise in “fragile states.” A “fragile state” is one that has experienced the loss of physical control of its territory or a monopoly on the legitimate use of force;...

Welcome to Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom! To mark the end of Season 1, Lamar & Tom talk about their lessons learned since they started this podcast adventure. From cameras to microphones to attempts at humor, nothing escapes their consideration. The wrap up this podcast with season’s greetings and stories of an unexpected ingredient in a Chopt salad and a man obsessed with the mo...

Welcome to Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom! In this podcast, Lamar & Tom talk with their first ever guest, Stephen Owens, representing the 74th District in the Kansas House of Representatives. They talk with Steve about the unique challenges facing politicians in a highly charged and divisive environment which can make civil conversations challenging and sometimes even impossible....

Welcome to Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom! In this podcast Lamar and Tom discuss five factors that contribute to having civil conversations: trust, respect, honesty, reciprocity (or mutuality or shared responsibility), and ownership.  See for Yourself! Links for Episode 4: Iowa woman attempts to bring giraffe feces into state: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/bc-us-odd-giraffe-poop-seiz...

Welcome to Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom! In this podcast, released on October 21, 2023, Lamar & Tom discuss barriers and guidelines for productive civil conversations. The barriers they consider are internal barriers - those attitudes, ideas, expectations, even beliefs we hold - that may hold us back from engaging in civil conversation with people whose ideas, opinions, experien...

Welcome to Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom! In this podcast, released on September 26, 2023, they discuss this quote, submitted by a listener, from Noam Chomsk y, which appeared in his 1998 book, “The Common Good.” “The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum. That gives peo...

Join Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus (two former clergy, former counselors, and still lifelong friends after all these years) in this podcast on how to talk with one another. Together they explore how to get to a Third Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and T...