Frank Norris and Stan Johnson
Frank and Stan Chats
Frank Norris and Stan Johnson have been friends since 1995. Both have had successful and lengthy careers in education. Frank was a very senior HMI with Ofsted for 11 years and was the CEO of the Coop Academies Trust for 6 years. Stan was seconded to Ofsted for a year and then returned to headship before working as a senior adviser with Lancashire LA. He has latterly led a successful education consultancy in the North West. Prior to Covid-19, the two gents would meet in Manchester for a pint or two but the pandemic put an end to that. On 1 May 2020, they recorded their first video chat as a way...
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Frank Norris and Stan Johnson
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Jul 8, 2026
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Episodes
Frank and Stan Chat No.134: The Alan Kinson Edition 27.01.2023 45:12
This week the two gents chat to Alan Kinson, an experienced Chair of Governors and a Digital Infrastructure Lead at a major retailer. The chat starts with Stan reporting on the encouraging signs coming from a large MAT that is planning to strengthen the role of parents within its governance structure. Alan then considers the amazing visit made by King Charles III when he visited GCHQ in Central Ma...
Frank and Stan Chat No.133: The Louise Salmon Edition 20.01.2023 51:44
This week the two gents have a fascinating chat with Louise Salmon, CEO of Primary Goal, a digital training provider. The conversation includes the impact of the announcement of teachers striking in the coming weeks and the decision to allocate levelling up funding to some, but by no means all, areas that bid for it. Louise manages to include three issues that cover the age of children using smart...
Frank and Stan Chat No.131: The Eric Craven (The Scouse Poet) Returns and the end of 2022 Edition 22.12.2022 50:31
The final chat of 2022 sees Eric Craven 'The Scouse Poet' return one the day his new poetry website goes live, www.ericscraven.com. The chat covers the poor condition of some school buildings, the importance of affirmation as a key leadership skill and the right to withdraw labour, as a final resort. Eric reads three of his whimsical poems and Frank reveals the most viewed editions from...
Frank and Stan Chat No.130: The Sameena Choudry (Equitable Education) Edition 16.12.2022 49:03
We have tried many times to secure a slot for Sameena Choudry to join our weekly chat but our best efforts failed. She does, however, join us this week and it was well worth the wait. If you want to listen to a colleague committed to equity and social justice, then this chat won't disappoint. It is a timely reminder that not all education settings are the same primarily because they all serve...
Frank and Stan Chat No.127: The Lucy Trueman Returns Again Edition 25.11.2022 41:37
We have enjoyed chatting to Lucy Trueman, the Managing Director of TruemanChange in the past so we asked her to come back and become the guest with the highest number of appearances (3) at the moment. Lucy's expertise in managing significant projects for many public sector organisations including local authorities makes her a fascinating and well informed guest. This episode is all about Lead...
Frank and Stan Chat No.126: The Jonny Mitchell and Caroline Foster Edition 18.11.2022 35:57
Two previous and great guests return to Frank and Stan Chat this week. Jonny Mitchell, Principal at Netherwood Academy and Caroline Foster, Senior Vice Principal at Trinity Academy Grammar join the chat during a week when the government's autumn statement offers a much needed financial boost for schools but only takes funding back to 2010 levels. Stan considers allegations of Ministers bullyi...
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