Dorothy R. Santos, Xiaowei R. Wang, Mina AX
Five and Nine: Tarot, Work and Economic Justice
Five and Nine is a podcast and newsletter at the intersection of magic, work and economic justice, produced by Dorothy R. Santos, Xiaowei R. Wang and Mina AX.Each season, we publish “moonthly” — on new moons 🌚 and full moons 🌝 — , and we provide an an ongoing critical discussion through readings, reflections and debate. In these upside down times, it’s time for a new perspective on the classic “9 to 5” (and yes, we’re Dolly Parton fans). In tarot and astrology, reversals and retrogrades matter, because they shed light on our situation in new ways. Five represents turning points and change, a...
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Dorothy R. Santos, Xiaowei R. Wang, Mina AX
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Nov 22, 2025
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🌚 3.02. Nourishing the Creative Spirit After Burnout, with Victoria Ku 20.02.2023 35:10
Five years ago, technologist, artist and financial analyst Victoria Ku suffered a period of burnout that left her medicated and emotionless. By finding rest and setting new boundaries, she started building a life for herself that’s both nourished her creative spirit and enabled her financial security—summoning magic through the combination of both logic and emotion. Victoria shares her perspective...
🌝 3.01. Everyone, Everywhere, Get Some Rest (Season Premiere) 05.02.2023 29:58
This is Five and Nine, a podcast and newsletter at the crossroads of magic, work and economic justice. Welcome to Season 3, Episode 1. You can find us on Apple , Spotify , Google and Instagram . Enjoying the show? Consider buying us a virtual cup of coffee. Subscribe now for just $6 per month, to get access to our paid programming. Summary We talk about this season’s theme, which is about rest, an...
🌚 2.06. The Five and Nine Confession Session (Season Finale) 28.11.2022 33:48
Creative Director and Co-Director of Magic Xiaowei Wang returns for our season finale! We talk union solidarity, life in a time of crisis, and our upcoming class on tarot and writing with The Shipman Agency . Dorothy breaks out the Modus Operandi Deck for a confessional tell-all with the three hosts that touches on what we can’t let go of, the value of money, the role models and safety we wish we...
🌝 2.05. Life After a Great Resignation, with Ruben Briseño Reveles 08.11.2022 31:58
Over a year ago, Chicanx futurist artist Ruben Briseño Reveles grappled with a choice: either his job or his mental health and well-being. He decided to make a leap into a new life when he left his restaurant job of 20 years. His is one of many stories of great resignations in the face of the events of 2020 and 2021, and we talk with Ruben about what he’s learned during this time — about his art,...
🌚 2.04. Equity, Diversity and Ancestral Inclusion, with Kim Acebo Arteche 26.10.2022 32:41
When we talk about diversity, equity, and inclusion work, where do ancestral lineages fit in? What does wellness look like in a culture that celebrates overworking ourselves at the expense of our bodies? Five and Nine talks with Kim Acebo Ateche, who supports BIPOC organizational leaders to get in touch with their ancestry as a form of healing. In this episode, Kim shares about her own personal ex...
🌝 2.03. Leadership and Prayer in Difficult Times, with Angela Mictlanxochitl 12.10.2022 35:10
When it feels like everything is lost, how do we find guidance? Five and Nine talks with Angela Mictlanxochitl Anderson Guerrero, who runs Lideramos, a Latino leadership organization in the US, and who is a practicing abuela , or grandmother, in the Danza de la Luna lineage, a transterritorial Mexica ceremonial practice. Angela Mictlanxochitl talks about the four components of her thoughtful engag...
🌚 2.02. Magic in the Everyday, with Helen Shewolfe Tseng 22.09.2022 29:56
This is Five and Nine, a podcast and newsletter at the crossroads of magic, work and economic justice. Welcome to Season 2, Episode 2. We are now on Instagram ! You can also find us on Apple , Spotify and Google . Enjoying the show? Consider buying us a virtual cup of coffee. Subscribe now for just $6 per month. This podcast is always free, but paid subscribers will get access to special content,...
🌝 2.01. Your Network is Your Net Worth, with Sydney Baloue (Season Premiere) 13.09.2022 37:00
Five and Nine opens Season 2 with author and ballroom expert Sydney Baloue . Season 2 is about transitions. As falls sets in in the northern hemisphere and spring int he south, Five and Nine looks at change in all its forms — leaving jobs, changing industries, starting new paths, and the wisdom and that tarot and magic have to offer in a world that seems to be ever in flux. Sydney is a former acad...
🌝 1.07 Part 2. Body Scan Meditation, by Kai Stowers 13.07.2022 5:55
This is Five and Nine, a podcast newsletter at the intersection of magic, work and economic justice. This is an excerpt from Season 1, Episode 7 . This is a standalone episode that features a guided meditation by Kai Stowers , an integral coach and mindfulness practitioner and our special guest for Season 1, Episode 7 . For the full episode and more context on the role of mindfulness in the workpl...
🌝 1.07. Burnout, Biases and Body Mindfulness, with Kai Stowers (Season Finale) 13.07.2022 35:59
This is Five and Nine, a podcast newsletter at the intersection of magic, work and economic justice. Welcome to Season 1, Episode 7. This episode closes out our pilot season, and we’re regrouping while we prepare for Season 2 (in the autumn/vernal cycle). If you’ve been tuning in this season, we’d love to hear from you! You can fill out 2 minute survey here and help us grow: Resources Music * Inte...
🌛 1.06 Part 2. Writing Under the Influence (of Distraction) 06.07.2022 24:30
This is Five and Nine, a podcast newsletter at the intersection of magic, work and economic justice. Welcome to Season 1, Episode 6, Part 2. We have one more episode to go this season, and we are pleased to share we are now available on Apple Podcasts . Listen to the podcast now, or read the transcript below, or both! Resources Music and Words * Rum tum tiddle , composed by Jean Schwartz, lyrics b...
🌚 1.06 Part 1. Speaking Up at Work as a Quiet Person 29.06.2022 26:30
This is Five and Nine, a podcast newsletter at the intersection of magic, work and economic justice. Welcome to Season 1, Episode 6, Part 1. We are pleased to share we are now available on Apple Podcasts . Listen to the podcast now, or read the transcript below, or both! Resources Music and Words * All by myself , composed by Irving Berlin and sung by Aileen Stanley in 1921 * The gate, the key, th...
🌚 1.05. Meditation: Loving-Kindness with Tarot 30.05.2022 14:29
This is Five and Nine, a podcast newsletter at the intersection of magic, work and economic justice. Welcome to Season 1, Episode 5. We are pleased to share we are now available on Apple Podcasts . Listen to the podcast now, or read the transcript below, or both! Resources * Dream of the Mountains , composed by August Labitzky and performed by the Victor Orchestra in 1906. * Daring Compassion Move...
🌝 1.04. Finding a New Constellation in Our Grief, with Indira Allegra 15.05.2022 34:50
This is Five and Nine, a podcast newsletter at the intersection of magic, work and economic justice. Welcome to Season 1, Episode 4. We are pleased to share we are now available on Apple Podcasts ! Listen to the podcast now, or read the transcript below, or both! Resources Music * Dance of the Songbirds , composed by Benjamin Richmond and performed by Joseph Belmont (the whistler) and the Victor O...
🌝 1.03. Setting Career Goals When the World is Burning 16.04.2022 29:19
This is Five and Nine, a podcast newsletter at the intersection of magic, work and economic justice. Welcome to Episode 003. Listen to the podcast now, or read the transcript below, or both! Resources Music * The Gondoliers , composed by Ethelbert Woodbridge Nevin and performed by Georges Barrère and the Barrère Ensemble of Wind Instruments in 1915. Lyrics available here. Books * Trauma Stewardshi...
🌝 1.02. A Meditation for the Suit of Cups 18.03.2022 7:11
This is Five and Nine, a podcast newsletter at the intersection of magic, work and economic justice. Welcome to Episode 002. This episode’s music is The Gondoliers , composed by Ethelbert Woodbridge Nevin and performed by Georges Barrère and the Barrère Ensemble of Wind Instruments in 1915. It's part of 400,000 sound recordings made available in the public domain this year. Listen to the podcast...
🌝 1.01. Seeds and Towers and Tigers, Oh My 16.02.2022 37:05
This is Five and Nine, a podcast newsletter at the intersection of magic, work and economic justice. Welcome to Episode 001. This episode features a live reading and a reference to the Seed Root and Garden spread in action. As a very visual medium, the tarot benefits from being able to engage with the imagery of the cards, and we include the images from the Rider-Waite-Smith deck for reference. Se...
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