The Ken
First Principles
First Principles is a weekly interview podcast comprising authentic, candid, and insightful conversations between some of India’s most accomplished founders and business leaders, and Rohin Dharmakumar, The Ken’s CEO & co-founder. From personal philosophies, mental models and decision making frameworks, to reading habits, parenting styles or personal interests, each episode will delve into what makes each of these leaders unique.
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Episodes
Krish Subramanian of Chargebee on continuously firing yourself 07.06.2023 1:32:32
The stories of entrepreneurial success around us are often slick, bulleted, and cleaned up to remove all references to false starts, serendipity or accidents. And at the centre of such stories are founders. These visionary leaders dream up startups worth billions of dollars out of nothing, like Krish Subramanian, the co-founder and CEO of Chargebee. Chargebee started by helping businesses manage...
Smita Deorah of LEAD on why India's 280 million school-going children deserve better 24.05.2023 1:50:35
Smita Deorah's daughter was six months old when her mom started reading to her. And as she kept at it, one day, her daughter lapped it up, becoming an independent reader even before learning to speak. At this point, most parents would have thought their child was special. Instead, Smita concluded that her daughter was just the same as most other kids. What was special was that she was privileged...
Gaurav Munjal of Unacademy on being confrontational, paranoid and transparent 10.05.2023 1:33:07
If this is your first episode of First Principles, it's a great episode to begin with. Gaurav Munjal is the co-founder and CEO of Unacademy, one of India's most aggressive and highest-valued ed-tech startups, last valued at close to $3.5 billion. But this story started a long time back. When Gaurav was just in class IX, he got into the content game. In a few years, he had started getting monthly...
Ronnie Screwvala on why upGrad is neither a startup nor an edtech 26.04.2023 1:48:08
"You need to be restless, because you don't have a choice". Those are words you expect to hear from a 30-something tech founder building a ChatGPT-powered neo startup. But Ronnie Screwvala, whose voice you just heard, is 67. And trust me when I say this, I haven't seen many 30-something founders who are as restless, ambitious and driven as he is. Ronnie is the chairperson and co-founder of upGrad,...
Fractal’s Srikanth Velamakanni on surviving before thriving 12.04.2023 1:41:43
Worth over $1.5 billion today, Fractal has raised close to $700 million in venture capital over its lifetime. But the path it took to get here is anything but boring. Growing up in a middle-class Indian family, Srikanth Velamakanni, Fractal’s co-founder and group CEO, remembers his father telling him there was no such thing as an “honest businessman”. The phrase was an oxymoron. “So when I grew u...
Kunal Shah of CRED on “exciting but painful” workplaces, gated digital communities, and employee shareholders 29.03.2023 2:01:17
Welcome to episode 16. If you like our deep interviews with some of India’s best known founders across a range of domains, please rate us on your favourite podcast platform. All it takes is just a few seconds. Kunal Shah, the co-founder and CEO of CRED is unapologetic about building products for the top segment of India’s massive consumer pyramid. One would imagine that having raised over $600 mil...
Five founders on fundraising, culture-building, clock- building, culture-shaping, people coaching, surviving and thriving 15.03.2023 1:51:51
If this isn’t the first time you’re listening to First Principles, you’re probably wondering what’s going on. Why did we have five different founders opening the episode, instead of just one. It’s because today’s is a special episode. We went back to the first five episodes we didto compile some of the most interesting, original and often counterintuitive conversations from five accomplished fou...
Shan Kadavil of Fresh To Home on selling fish, building moats, encouraging bottom-up “shots on goal”, and being honest with boards 01.03.2023 1:36:36
Shan Kadavil, one eighth a co-founder and 100% a CEO at Fresh To Home, one of the largest online sellers of fish and meat in India, made a rough business plan in 2015. From roughly $2 million in sales in 2016 he wanted to grow to $200 million by 2022. That’s 100X in 6 years. This year Fresh To Home will do around $130 million. 65X is not bad at all. As TAMs – total addressable markets – go, you ca...
Srikanth Iyer of Home Lane on embracing what you’re bad at in order to do better at what you’re good at, and being a wartime general 15.02.2023 1:45:56
The shortest distance between two points may be a straight line, but when it comes to entrepreneurial success, straight lines rarely exist. Instead, the paths taken by most successful entrepreneurs are meandering, if we’re applying the benefit of hindsight. If we don’t, well, they’re often random, confusing and even frustrating. Take Srikanth Iyer, the co-founder of CEO of Home Lane, one of the ma...
Kamal Sagar of Total Environment on picking principles over convenience, reimagining real estate, design, authenticity and learning to say no 01.02.2023 1:41:06
One of the recurring themes when it comes to entrepreneurship is “valuation”. How much a company is “worth” is in many ways the tail that wags the enterprise dog in our times. I’ve asked this question to every single one of the guests on First Principles. But the answer from Kamal Sagar, the co-founder and CEO of Bangalore-headquartered real estate and design company Total Environment, still came...
Ruchi Kalra of Oxyzo on creating two unicorns in 7 years, spotting gigantic market opportunities, putting profits and cash flow first, and letting go of personal ambitions 18.01.2023 1:42:02
In 2015 Ruchi Kalra was a partner with McKinsey in their Financial Services practices. In 2016 she, along with four co-founders, started OfBusiness, a business that saw the world in raw materials like plastic, steel, almonds where everyone else saw products like bottles, bridges and cookies. By using tech to disintermediate the various buyers and sellers in the raw material supply chain, OfBusine...
Deep Kalra of MakeMyTrip on being “22 years young”, presenting from Excel sheets instead of Powerpoint slides, the importance of open disagreements, and the good stress of building 04.01.2023 1:27:58
The year was 2004. MakeMyTrip was a struggling 4-year old company and Deep Kalra, its founder, hadn’t taken a salary for nearly 18 months and had exhausted all of his financial savings. His co-founders had already taken salary cuts ranging from 50-70%. That’s when they got an offer from a much larger company to buy MakeMyTrip out. After discussing between themselves, they decided that they’d sell...
Tarun Mehta of Ather Energy talks about doing hard things, going down multi-year rabbit holes, building companies over 30-40 years, and being chief storyteller 21.12.2022 1:48:06
Serendipity usually plays a huge role in entrepreneurship. It played an outsized role in Tarun Mehta’s journey to founding Ather Energy, easily India’s best-known electric scooter maker. When Mehta graduated from IIT Madras, he wanted badly to become a consultant because it was where the money and aura was. But he didn’t get a job as a consultant. Then he tried to get into Harvard Business School...
Amit Agarwal of NoBroker talks about his single-minded mission to disrupt brokerage, building a cockroach company, and why his office address is a secret 07.12.2022 1:32:47
Few companies define themselves so sharply on the basis of what they’re opposed to like NoBroker, the 8-year-old Bengaluru-headquartered real estate platform. Opposition to brokerage is baked into its name, its business model, and even its ambitions. US$19 billion is the amount Indians shell out as brokerage fees on real estate rentals. That’s the market NoBroker wants to disrupt. Flip the mirror...
Amrish Rau of Pine Labs talks about the differences between being a founder and a CEO 23.11.2022 1:46:19
In a career spanning 25 years, Amrish Rau has been on multiple sides of the leadership equation. He’s been a corporate leader, founder, professional CEO and angel investor. As the CEO of Pine Labs, the payments solution provider whose point of sale terminals can be seen in most Indian shops and stores, Rau says his ambition is to “make money from every transaction”. In 2016, Citrus Pay, an online...
Vineeta Singh of SUGAR Cosmetics talks about building products, educating consumers, and focusing on the long term 03.11.2022 1:32:51
SUGAR Cosmetics, though now amongst the most popular and fastest growing cosmetics brand in India, wasn't the first choice when Vineeta was asked to name her new cosmetics company, and neither was cosmetics the first business that Vineeta undertook when she set out to be an entrepreneur. Getting SUGAR to it's users was a tumultuous journey and as Vineeta sits down with Rohin to recount some of the...
Razorpay CEO Harshil Mathur talks about deliberate culture, building to a need, and the principles of product development 20.10.2022 1:33:15
Today’s guest on First Principles is Harshil Mathur, CEO and co-founder of Razorpay. Razorpay claims to be India’s first full-stack financial solutions company. And if that sounds very much like how a coder would describe a company, it’s because that’s exactly what’s happening. When Harshil Mathur and Shashank Kumar, two coding enthusiasts fresh into their first jobs, started working on what would...
Learnability, curiosity, and brand building; Ex-Myntra CEO and Mensa Brands founder Ananth Narayanan gets candid 06.10.2022 1:32:52
Mensa Brands is India’s fastest unicorn. It took them only six months to zoom past the one-billion-dollar valuation mark. Having raised over US$300 million in debt and equity so far, Ananth Narayanan, the founder and CEO of Mensa Brands and the former CEO of Myntra, seems to be on to something. In this episode, we tap into all of it. From his time at McKinsey as a consultant and his stint as Myntr...
InMobi founder Naveen Tewari gets candid about survival, innovation, and playing the game by changing the rules 22.09.2022 1:46:47
The InMobi Group is a curious giant. Not only is it comprised of India's very first tech unicorn, the mobile advertising platform InMobi, it also houses another unicorn within which is one of India's youngest and fastest. That's the lock screen service Glance that's on hundreds of millions of smartphones globally. There's also live video app Roposo, which is pressing down the accelerator on its li...
Nithin Kamath of Zerodha candidly talks about building his bootstrapped business, weighing risks, and finding opportunities 08.09.2022 1:35:52
This time around First Principles makes its way to possibly one of the most fascinating success stories to come out of the Indian start-up space. Zerodha's cofounder Nithin Kamath joins Rohin Dharmakumar in this free wheeling chat about what makes him tick, why he is thankful no one ever invested in his idea early on, thoughts on their early success, and a lot more around building relationships, i...
$1.5B Amagi Founder Baskar Subramanian talks about building culture at work, parenting, and building from ground up 24.08.2022 1:37:01
In this episode of First Principles we speak to Baskar Subramanian, co-founder and CEO of Amagi, a profitable unicorn you probably haven't heard about. Yet. Valued at almost 1.5 billion dollars, and a leader in the broadcast-technology domain, Amagi's road to the top wasn't easy, but it definitely makes for a fun listen. Listen to that and more about how Baskar built the company, how he leads life...
Kabeer Biswas of Dunzo talks about raising money, gathering user insights, battling deadlines and more 10.08.2022 1:25:17
This pilot episode of First Principles features Kabeer Biswas, founder and CEO at Dunzo, one of India's fastest growing quick commerce companies. Kabeer talks about how he navigates failure, accepts feedback, and makes sure that Dunzo is always focused on the things that matter. First Principles is a show where Rohin Dharmakumar, founder and CEO of The Ken , interviews some of the most successful...
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