Matthew Whitaker and Spencer Sutton

Evernest Property Management Show

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If you're a property manager looking to scale your business beyond 300, 500, or even 1,000 doors, you've come to the right place. You might be asking - Is it worth it? How do I do it? Where do I find the money? What about the people? Trust us, we've made every mistake you can think of...then we made some up. Listen in as we describe what worked and what didn't on our journey from 300 to 3,000 houses.

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Matthew Whitaker and Spencer Sutton

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Business

Podcast website

www.evernest.co

Latest episode

Jun 29, 2026

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Episodes

Episode 163: Here's How Leaders Retain Top Talent 29.09.2025

How well your employees' personalities mesh is among the most underrated aspects of scaling your property management business. That's why Spencer Sutton sat down with Matt White, an Executive Advisor at Culture Index. Culture Index lays out the potential of each employee's personality, allowing companies like Evernest to match each employee's unique strengths to the demands of every role.  Reach o...

Episode 162: From Investor to Institution: Level Up Your Property Management Business Today 22.09.2025

In this episode, Spencer Sutton shares a detailed roadmap to institutionalize your real estate investor clients and set yourself apart as a growth-focused industry asset. You'll Learn: How to help your clients form a portfolio-based investment strategy to amplify their efforts (and their need for your services) Why a good rehab based on market data and comps is worth the time and money How to uple...

Episode 161: Leasing and Fraud: Everything Property Owners Need to Know (Brett Drevlow) 15.09.2025

In this episode of The Evernest Property Management Show, Evernest's Director of Leasing, Brett Drevlow, joins Spencer Sutton and Matthew Whitaker for an in-depth conversation on what's required to lease rental properties in 2025. Brett highlights the importance of overcoming tenant objections, building trust, and using data-driven pricing strategies. His leasing team handles ~350-400 move-ins mon...

Episode 160: Can AI Replace Property Managers? (Bryan Jenkins) 08.09.2025

In this episode, Spencer and Matthew sit down with longtime friend and property management veteran  Bryan Jenkins , now President of Gentone Property Management . Bryan brings more than 25 years of experience in the industry, from his early days managing corporate housing for Honda executives in Birmingham to building and selling a regional property management company, leading institutional operat...

Episode 159: How This PM Company Keeps Churn Low (Scott Hallberg & Jeremy Tallman) 01.09.2025

In this episode of The Evernest Property Management Show, host Spencer Sutton interviews Jeremy Tallman and Scott Hallberg of T&H Realty Services to learn how these brothers-in-law have kept their rental property owner churn below 15% while managing 1,200 doors. Looking for one-stop shop property management services in Indiana? Get in touch with T&H Realty Services today. You'll learn: Why churn h...

Episode 158: The Six Brutal Truths of Growing Your Property Management Business 25.08.2025

In this episode, Spencer Sutton reveals the six brutal truths that he's learned from growing teams so that you can avoid making critical leadership mistakes that could destroy your property management business. You'll learn: Why  you're   the hardest direct report to manage What the Circle of Insanity is - and how to regain control How to develop discipline Why lifting up the rock and looking at t...

Episode 157: The Hidden Cost of Maintenance (Every Property Manager MUST Know) 18.08.2025

Matthew and Gray sit down with Ray Hespen (Property Meld) to unpack why, in today's market, maintenance execution is one of the biggest levers for NOI. Ray shares fresh data showing how specific maintenance behaviors statistically change renewal rates , why the first 90 days are make-or-break, and how coordinators armed with benchmarks can talk to owners with confidence. We hit alignment of PM/own...

Episode 156: Churn, Profit Margins, & Exit Plans: What Every PM Owner Needs to Know | Brad Johnson 11.08.2025

In this episode of  The Evernest Property Management Show , CEO of ProfitCoach Brad Johnson returns to share industry secrets that every property manager should know. Have additional questions? Reach out to Profit Coach on their website  or  Brad on LinkedIn . You'll Learn: The two most difficult transitions all PMs face when trying to scale How to avoid becoming a business bottleneck Why a gradua...

Episode 155: We've Bought 30+ Property Management Companies... Here's What We Learned 04.08.2025

In this episode, Evernest heavyweights Matthew Whitaker, Spencer Sutton, and Gray Hall discuss the biggest lessons they've learned from acquiring more than 30 companies. From unexpected challenges during integration to building the right team and managing owner expectations, this conversation dives deep into what it  really  takes to grow a business through acquisition. You'll Learn: Why an acquis...

Episode 154: Here's Where Property Management Companies Lose Money... Watch Out! (Brad Johnson) 28.07.2025

In this episode of  The Evernest Property Management Show , hosts Spencer Sutton and Matthew Whitaker chat with Brad Johnson, CEO of Profit Coach. Their conversation delves into the importance of having a solid financial foundation for property management companies, exploring financial performance, revenue generation, and the significance of ancillary services. Brad shares his unique journey into...

Episode 153: Losing It All in 2008: How He Turned a Failing Business into 470 Doors | Todd Ried 21.07.2025

In this episode of The Evernest Property Management Show, Todd Reid reveals how the 2008 financial crash wiped out his financing, forced mass layoffs, and pushed him into full-time property management. He reveals exactly how he rebuilt from survival mode to a 470-door property management portfolio with actionable steps that any aspiring wealth-builder could follow. Reach out to Todd on LinkedIn or...

Episode 152: What Happens If Your Bank Fails Today? (PM Owners Need To Know THIS) | Marshall Fulton 14.07.2025

Most property managers think their trust accounts are set up correctly, but many are completely wrong - and that can lead to devastating consequences. In this episode of  The Evernest Property Management Show , Marshall Fulton from Enterprise Bank breaks down the truth about trust accounts, FDIC insurance, and so much more. Contact Marshall on his  LinkedIn  or by emailing mfulton@enterprisebank.c...

Episode 151: Why this PM Owner Has a 4.8-Star Rating with 1,000 Doors (Trent Ratliff) 07.07.2025

In this episode of  The Evernest Property Management Show , property management owner Trent Ratliff tells host Spencer Sutton how he scaled from 200 to 1,000 doors across Atlanta and Montgomery. You'll discover: How Trent accidentally found himself contributing to the 2008 market crash The one decision that changed Trent's life and led to 1,000 doors owned The type of investors that fueled these i...

Episode 150: Culture > Contracts: Courtney Parks' Playbook for Growing a Human-Driven PM Business 30.06.2025

In this episode of  The Evernest Property Management Show , Spencer Sutton sits down with Courtney Parks, Principal Broker & Director of Operations, Allegiance Property Management, to dive into: How Courtney fell into property management and rose to lead her company What it means to suddenly be the one setting the vision and culture—even when it's not "your" company Why property management despera...

Episode 149: Want to Grow? This is the Way 23.06.2025

In this episode of The Evernest Property Management Show, Spencer and Matthew sit down with longtime friend and recruiter, Dylan Scroggins — Founder of Kalmar Group and property management's unofficial headhunter. They cover: Why your "founder story" doesn't matter to an A-player (and what  does ) The #1 role property managers get wrong when hiring  When it's time to stop hiring from your network...

Episode 148: Developing a Killer Sales Team 16.06.2025

What does it  really  take to build and lead a high-performing property management sales team? In this candid and highly practical episode, Spencer sits down with Evernest's Director of Sales,  Hunter Terryn , to pull back the curtain on what makes a killer Business Development Manager (BDM). From early-stage training and culture-fit assessments to playbooks, referral strategies, and what to do wh...

Episode 147: What Separates an Average Business Development Manager (BDM) from a Killer BDM? 09.06.2025

In this episode, Spencer and Matthew pull back the curtain on over a decade of hiring, coaching, and managing salespeople in the property management space. With insights from interviewing hundreds (and hiring over 50!) BDMs, they break down the  8 defining characteristics of top performers —from personality profiles and follow-up discipline to local market mastery and brand representation. Whether...

Episode 146: Selling a PM Company in 2025: What's Changed and What Hasn't 02.06.2025

Thinking about selling your property management business? Whether you're looking to retire, reduce stress, or cash out at the right time, this episode breaks down what you need to know about  selling in today's market . Spencer and Matthew take you behind the scenes of Evernest's acquisition strategy and what they look for, red flags that kill deals, and how to position your company for maximum va...

Episode 145: 7 Pitfalls to Avoid When Scaling Your Property Management Company 26.05.2025

After a short hiatus,  The Evernest Property Management Show  is back with a brand-new studio and a renewed focus on giving you actionable insights to grow your property management business the right way. In this episode, we get into one of the most difficult things ambitious property managers can do:  Scaling a property management company while avoiding the dangerous landmines . Drawing from our...

Episode 144: The Evernest Story, Part 6 - Inside Our Latest Acquisitions 17.02.2025

In this bonus episode of the Evernest Property Management Show, we reflect on the ambitious journey from setting a seemingly impossible goal of 25,000 doors to nearly achieving it, with 23,000 doors under management by December 2024. We also reveal our most recent Poplar Homes and Picket acquisitions, the importance of building relationships in a close-knit industry, and our challenges in the jour...

Episode 143: The Evernest Story, Part 5 - The Plateau 10.02.2025

In this episode of the Evernest Property Management Show, we discuss the company's journey through 2022 and 2023, focusing on the challenges and strategies implemented to optimize the business during a plateau. We dig into the benefits of having great people over processes and discuss our efforts to raise capital, adapt to market disruptions, and rethink our growth strategy.  We also discuss the d...

Episode 142: The Evernest Story, Part 4 - Acquisitions, Failure, and Building a Great Team 03.02.2025

In this Evernest Property Management show episode, Spencer Sutton and Matthew Whitaker share challenges they faced and lessons learned from both failure and success. The discussion covers several topics: acquisitions, expanding into new markets like Denver, Atlanta, and Virginia, hiring issues, and staff departures. They also explored the integration of new team members like Tra Griffin, Dan Crump...

Episode 141: The Evernest Story, Part 3 - People and Acquisitions 20.01.2025

In this episode of The Evernest Property Management Show, Spencer Sutton and Matthew Whitaker continue their journey through Evernest's history, focusing on the early challenges and lessons learned during their expansion into new markets. From hiring talented people and acquiring businesses in Nashville, Chattanooga, and beyond, to navigating integrations and creating scalable processes, this epis...

Episode 140: The Evernest Story, Part 2 - From 30 Doors to a 25k Vision 13.01.2025

In this episode, Spencer Sutton and Matthew Whitaker continue sharing Evernest's origin story.  Picking up where we left off, this episode explores the early days of the Great Financial Crisis, when managing just 30 homes felt overwhelming, and the path forward seemed uncertain. From losing money on real estate deals to discovering the game-changing potential of International Team Members, this ep...

Episode 139: The Evernest Story, Part 1 - When the Tide Goes Out 06.01.2025

In this episode, Matthew and Spencer take a trip down memory lane, sharing the story of how they met and their journey into the world of real estate. They recount the challenges and triumphs of their early days wholesaling houses, offering a behind-the-scenes look at the fast-paced world of real estate during the market's golden years from 2004 up until the Global Financial Crisis of 2008. =======...

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