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Engineering Enablement by DX
The show focused on developer productivity and the teams and leaders dedicated to improving it. Each episode features in-depth interviews with Platform and DevEx teams, along with the latest research and approaches for measuring developer productivity. Presented by DX (getdx.com), the developer intelligence platform designed by researchers.
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Episodes
How Slack fully automates deploys and anomaly detection with Z-scores | Sean Mcllroy (Slack) 23.04.2024 33:48
Click here to view the episode transcript. This week we’re joined by Sean Mcllroy from Slack’s Release Engineering team to learn about how they’ve fully automated their deployment process. This conversation covers Slack’s original release process, key changes Sean’s team has made, and the latest challenges they’re working on today. Mentions and links: Read Sean’s blog post, The Scary Thing About D...
What’s up with internal developer portals? | Chris Westerhold (Thoughtworks) 09.04.2024 36:12
Click here to view the episode transcript. This week’s episode is the recording of a live conversation between Abi and Chris Westerhold (Thoughtworks Head of Developer Experience). This conversation is useful for anyone early in their journey with developer portals or platforms: Abi and Chris discuss common approaches to solving these problems, pitfalls to avoid, building vs. buying, and more. Men...
10 years of driving developer productivity at Yelp | Kent Wills (Yelp) 26.03.2024 45:13
Click here to listen to the episode transcript. On this week's episode, Abi interviews Kent Wills, Director of Engineering Effectiveness at Yelp. He shares insights into the evolution of their developer productivity efforts over the past decade. From tackling challenges with their monolithic architecture to scaling productivity initiatives for over 1,300 developers. Kent also touches on his exper...
How “instructional engineers” improve developer onboarding at Splunk | Gail Carmichael (Splunk) 12.03.2024 39:30
This week we’re joined by Gail Carmichael, Principal Instructional Engineer at Splunk. At Splunk, Gail’s team is responsible for improving developer onboarding, which they do through a multi-day learning program. Here, Gail shares how this program works and how they measure developer onboarding. The conversation also covers what instructional engineers are generally, and how Gail demonstrates the...
Bootstrapping a developer portal | Adam Rogal (DoorDash) 27.02.2024 54:42
In this episode we’re joined by Adam Rogal, who leads Developer Productivity and Platform at DoorDash. Adam describes DoorDash’s journey with their internal developer portal, and gives advice for other teams looking to follow a similar path. Adam also describes how his team delivered value quickly and drove adoption for their developer platform. Discussion points: (1:47) Why DoorDash explored imp...
A deep-dive on the Thoughtworks Tech Radar | Rebecca Parsons, Camilla Crispim, Erik Dörnenburg (Thoughtworks) 13.02.2024 45:35
In this episode, Abi has a fascinating conversation with Rebecca Parsons, ThoughtWorks's CTO, Camilla Crispim, and Erik Dörnenburg on the ThoughtWorks Tech Radar . The trio begins with an overview of Tech Radar and its history before delving into the intricate process of creating each report involving multiple teams and stakeholders. The conversation concludes with a focus on the evolution of Tech...
Measuring and rolling out AI coding assistants | Eirini Kalliamvakou (GitHub) 31.01.2024 47:42
This week's guest is Eirini Kalliamvakou, a staff researcher at GitHub focused on AI and developer experience. Eirini sits at the forefront of research into GitHub Copilot. Abi and Eirini discuss recent research on how AI coding assistance impacts developer productivity. They talk about how leaders should build business cases for AI tools. They also preview what's to come with AI tools and implica...
Measuring developer productivity at Airbnb | Christopher Sanson (Airbnb) 03.01.2024 40:56
Christopher Sanson is a product manager at Airbnb who is dedicated to enhancing developer productivity and tooling. Today, we learn more about Airbnb's developer productivity team and how various teams use metrics, both within and outside the organization. From there, we dive even deeper into their measurement journey, highlighting their implementation of DORA metrics and the challenges they overc...
Leading a DevEx team through transformation | Ana Petkovska (Nexthink) 13.12.2023 26:34
In this episode, Abi speaks with Ana Petkovska, who is currently leading the developer experience team at Nexthink. Ana takes us through her journey of leading a DevOps team that underwent multiple transformations. She explains how her team went from being a DevOps team to EngProd and eventually DevEx. Ana elaborates on her team's challenges and the reasons behind the shift in focus. She also shar...
How LinkedIn defines and tracks key developer productivity metrics | Grant Jenks (LinkedIn) 06.12.2023 52:22
In this episode, Abi chats with Grant Jenks, Senior Staff SWE, Engineering Insights @ LinkedIn. They dive into LinkedIn's developer insights platform, iHub, and its backstory. The conversation covers qualitative versus quantitative metrics, sharing concerns about these terms and exploring their correlation. The episode wraps up with technical topics like winsorized means, thoughts on composite sco...
Building an internal developer platform at CVS Health | Jim Beyers (CVS Health) 22.11.2023 31:07
This week's episode is with Jim Beyers, VP of Engineering Enablement at CVS Health. Jim joined CVS a year ago to lead an effort to build an internal developer platform. Abi and Jim discuss how Jim joined CVS to build an internal developer platform, what brought him to the job, and how the developer experience fits into the broader transformation goals of CVS. Additionally, this episode covers buil...
The Platform PM role at Spotify | Nils Loodin (Spotify) 15.11.2023 52:09
This week we spoke with Nils Loodin, Platform Product Manager at Spotify. Nils describes how his role in platform product management works, including unique challenges, approaches, and career considerations. Nils also discusses some of the recent changes within Spotify's platform organization, including shifting teams from tech-centric to journey-centric. Discussion points: (1:30) How Nils came i...
Evolving platform and enablement at Thomson Reuters | Justin Wright, Matthew Dimich (Thomson Reuters) 08.11.2023 41:17
This week we’re joined by Justin Wright and Matthew Dimich, who lead Platform Engineering and Engineering Enablement at Thomson Reuters. Justin and Matt give an inside look at how they’ve evolved their organization’s structure and approach over the past 8 years. Discussion points: (1:03) Founding the platform team (5:49) The current organizational structure (9:00) Key initiatives the platform org...
Key findings from the 2023 State of Devops Report | Nathen Harvey (DORA at Google) 25.10.2023 45:58
This week’s episode dives into the DORA research program and this year’s State of DevOps Report. Nathen Harvey, who leads DORA at Google, shares the key findings from the research and what’s changed since previous reports. Discussion points: (1:10) What DORA focuses on (2:17) Where the DORA metrics fit (4:35) Introduction to user-centric software development (8:05) Impact of user-centricity on so...
Atlassian’s journey with developer experience | Preeti Kota (Atlassian) 18.10.2023 44:54
This week we’re joined by Preeti Kota, the Head of Engineering for Compass at Atlassian. Preeti walks us through Atlassian’s journey with developer experience: including how they measure DevEx, and how they drive improvements through efforts at both the organization and team levels. Preeti also talks about how this journey has led to the development of Atlassian’s newly released internal developer...
Shopify’s developer happiness survey | Mark Côté (Shopify) 27.09.2023 44:20
This week we’re joined by Mark Côté, who leads the Developer Infrastructure organization at Shopify, to learn about their developer survey program. Mark shares what went into designing and running the survey, what they’ve done to drive participation rates higher, and how they interpret their data. Mentions and links: Follow Mark on LinkedIn Read Shopify’s engineering blog Discussion points: (1:32)...
Leading platform engineering at Trivago | Thomas Khalil (Trivago) 22.08.2023 31:02
Thomas Khalil, Head of Platform and SRE at Trivago, describes how the teams reporting into him are structured, the tactics they’re using to increase awareness of their work, and how they demonstrate their impact. Discussion points: (1:17) The pillars of the Central Platform organization (2:18) The organization’s focus on time to market and efficiency (3:09) The differences in developer experienc...
Enabling teams to drive their own productivity improvements | Jenny McClain (Toast) 16.08.2023 43:35
This week’s guest is Jenny McClain, who leads R&D Team Enablement at Toast. Jenny’s team focuses on enabling individual teams at Toast to drive their own productivity improvements, and this conversation dives into how they tackle this problem. Discussion points: (1:19) How the R&D Enablement team works (2:50) Why the team was formed (4:31) The types of work the team focuses on (7:31) Iden...
How Google measures developer productivity | Ciera Jaspan, Collin Green (Google) 02.08.2023 1:14:11
This week we’re joined by Ciera Jaspan and Collin Green, who lead the Engineering Productivity Research team at Google. Ciera and Collin have written several papers from studies they’ve conducted, and this discussion covers the insights from their research as well as their work more broadly at Google. Discussion points: (1:19) About the Engineering Productivity Research team (3:57) How the team i...
A customer service approach to improving DevEx | Jason Kennedy (One Medical) 12.07.2023 44:29
This week we’re joined by Jason Kennedy, Senior Engineering Manager of Developer Experience at One Medical. Jason’s team takes a uniquely customer-driven approach to improving the developer experience, and in this episode he describes their philosophy and how it works in practice. Jason explains how they shadow developers, how they run surveys, and more. Discussion points: (1:02) Renaming from Eng...
Behind the scenes with Extend’s developer experience team | Matthew Schrepel and Luke Patterson (Extend) 13.06.2023 59:39
Matthew and Luke lead Extend’s Developer Experience team, a team that has approached their work in a way that is more forward-thinking than most. In this episode, they cover how they deliver impact at multiple levels of the organization, their journey with productivity metrics, and how they’ve made DevEx a C-level concern. Discussion points: (1:40) How the DevEx team started and where it fits at...
Platform teams vs enabling teams | Manuel Pais (Team Topologies) 07.06.2023 53:29
Manuel Pais delves into one of the concepts covered in his book “Team Topologies”: platform and enabling work. Manuel shares how he views the strategy behind when and how to invest in platform or enabling work. This conversation also goes into each type of work in more detail, covering topics such as measuring cognitive load and where platform engineering may be heading in the future. (2:13) How...
A close look at Peloton’s developer experience survey | Thansha Sadacharam (Peloton) 24.05.2023 58:33
Thansha Sadacharam, who leads Tech Learning and Insights at Peloton walks us through the journey of building the company’s developer experience survey. She shares what went into the survey’s design, rollout, and maintenance, as well as the different teams involved. Discussion points: (1:19) Where the idea for running a developer survey originated (6:36) Advice for other leaders getting buy-in for...
A better way to measure developer productivity | A special episode with Laura Tacho and Abi Noda 16.05.2023 1:08:28
In this episode, Abi is interviewed by Laura Tacho about the new paper he co-authored with Dr. Nicole Forsgren, Dr. Margaret-Anne Storey, and Dr. Michaela Greiler. Abi and Laura discuss the pitfalls of some of the common metrics organizations use, and how the new paper builds on prior frameworks such as DORA and SPACE to offer a new approach to measuring and improving developer productivity. Discu...
The developer experience of building a database | Tara Hernandez (MongoDB, Google) 02.05.2023 39:35
Tara Hernandez, the VP of Developer Productivity at MongoDB, joins the podcast to give an inside look at what the developer experience looks like at an organization that develops a database. Here, Tara shares what it looks like to develop, test, and release changes at MongoDB, while also providing insight into how the company invests in developer productivity more broadly. Discussion points: (0:5...
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