Rafal (Wh1t3Rabbit) Los
Down the Security Rabbithole Podcast (DtSR)
This is Cybersecurity's premier podcast. Running strong since 2011 Rafal Los, James Jardine, and Jim Tiller bring a no-nonsense, non-commercial approach to our profession. DtSR brings interviews and discussion with people you want to meet, and stories you have to hear. So whether you're just starting out, or are decades deep into your career, you'll always learn something on this show. On Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/@DtSR_Podcast On YouTube: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHq On LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-securit...
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Rafal (Wh1t3Rabbit) Los
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Oct 20, 2026
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Episodes
DtSR Episode 579 - Mike Towers on Trust in the Digital Age 28.11.2023 38:00
TL;DR: This week I'm joined by Mike Towers - a gentleman who has "digital trust" literally in his job title. This is an episode where we attempt to start the conversation of trust in an age of digital everything. Of course, the backdrop for today's discussion is the mayhem over at OpenAI - and if that's not a great place to start, I don't know what is. Is anyone else...
DtSR Episode 578 - Maybe A Modern Day SOC Discussion 21.11.2023 1:01:48
TL;DR: I finally decided that Erik Bloch' s LinkedIn posts have provoked a certain interest in a conversation about what a "modern-day" SOC should look and behave like. I then invited Jim Tiller and Anton Chuvakin (because they have some opinions), on the show to join James and me to discuss this. It didn't quite go to plan. YouTube Video: https://youtube.com/live/cgKpTTmCUrs...
DtSR Episode 577 - CISOs Turn at the Big Kids Table 14.11.2023 42:46
TL;DR: On this episode of the pod, Jim Tiller and I talk through the hot takes published about the SEC vs SolarWinds and Brown, and why so many people are getting it all wrong. I highly encourage you to go read the actual indictment before giving your opinion. Link to the SEC page: https://www.sec.gov/news/press-release/2023-227 YouTube video: https://youtube.com/live/9z4g9p3BW-Y My YouTube "...
DtSR Episode 576 - Fixing Executive Security Events 07.11.2023 45:58
TL;DR: Executive Conference organizers - this episode is for YOU. On today's episode of the podcast, it's just James and I on the microphone discussing all of these executive security events you may be getting invited to. They're just generally bad - people with big titles rattling off corporate marketing speak, with low attendance and low value. Or ...is there a better way? We disc...
DtSR Episode 575 - Crushed Under a Mountain of Security Tools 31.10.2023 43:03
TL;DR: This week on the pod, Andrew Morris & Tom Venables from Turnkey Consulting join me for a semi-regular check-in from the consultancy world as we discuss the overwhelming problem with technology. Specifically, we talk about tools strategies for budget squeezes, filling niche use cases, and how to rationalize what you've got if you want more. Come check out the video - Tom's back...
DtSR Episode 574 - HealthCare CyberSecurity is Sick 24.10.2023 39:14
TL;DR: This week on an interesting show that dives into the world of healthcare cybersecurity, Dan Dodson joins James and I to discuss the state of things, the reason for some of the chaos, and what the future outlook could be. The challenges are many, the outlook can be bleak, and while we have challenges both in business and technology (a la technical debt) - there is hope for a bright, secure,...
DtSR Episode 573 - The Urge to Converge 17.10.2023 45:02
TL;DR This week on the podcast Jerry Plaza from Netskope joins us to talk about the (re?)convergence between the network and security functions as policy, enforcement, and connectivity necessarily once again converge. It's been a long journey - but this time we think it's going to stick - hear why. Youtube video: https://youtube.com/live/RbobEfNMk2M Guest Gerry Plaza LinkedIn: https://ww...
DtSR Episode 572 - Managing Vendors Sucks 10.10.2023 43:27
TL;DR Working with security vendors is tough - and it's not getting better. Market consolidation, product maturity, innovation - all of that has to be factored in to develop a strategy and deal with the constant change. Whatever your current strategy - Brent, Rafal, and James discuss some options and how it could be. YouTube Video: https://youtube.com/live/R2-CKVBsexI Guest Brent Deterding Li...
DtSR Episode 571 - Can We Talk About the vCISO 03.10.2023 45:53
TL;DR: On this episode of the podcast - Rafal is joined by long-time friends and colleagues, Jim Tiller, Matt Shufeldt, and reformed analyst Anton Chuvakin to discuss the role and value of the virtual CISO. Or maybe it's the "fractional CISO". Or maybe it's something else? We work through value prop, how to pick a worthwhile partner in a fractional CISO, and advice for avoiding...
DtSR Episode 570 - Starting a Conversation About Securing the Food Supply_Part 2 28.09.2023 35:07
TL;DR; This is part 2 of 2 - for this amazing topic! Please join us for both parts, and check out the full-length video online and available RIGHT NOW. On this episode of the DtSR Podcast, I welcome Kristin Demoranville and Nelson Estrada Hernandez to talk about the food industry and how cyber security can and should be a vital part in this absolutely critical topic. YouTube Video (full 62 minutes...
DtSR Episode 570 - Starting a Conversation About Securing the Food Supply_Part 1 26.09.2023 30:55
TL;DR; This is part 1 of 2 - for this amazing topic! Please join us for both parts, and check out the full-length video online and available RIGHT NOW. On this episode of the DtSR Podcast, I welcome Kristin Demoranville and Nelson Estrada Hernandez to talk about the food industry and how cyber security can and should be a vital part in this absolutely critical topic. YouTube Video (full 62 minutes...
DtSR Episode 569 - Keeping Secrets a Secret 19.09.2023 39:07
TL;DR: This week's show features Oded Hareven, Co-Founder & CEO at Akeyless, and we cover some topics that are important, but brand new to us. Oded started a secrets management company and addressed some of the challenges and new technology with us. First, we discuss the "secret zero" problem (the one I worry about quite often), then zero-knowledge secrets management, and finall...
DtSR Episode 568 - Breaches Cyber Insurance White Castle and the SEC 12.09.2023 50:37
TL;DR: This week we are starting a quarterly segment with Sean Scranton and Shawn Tuma - that's right folks, you'll get our favorite breach coach aka "The oh-shit moment guy" and one of the most knowledgeable cyber insurance people together on the podcast four times a year (at least). So what did we cover on this show? Oye - looks like White Castle (yeah, my favorite of all tim...
DtSR Episode 567 - SMBs The Forgotten CyberSecurity Voices 05.09.2023 38:47
TL;DR: I'm so excited to announce this podcast. This week the one and only Dominic Vogel joins me on the show to talk about SMBs - you know, those building blocks of the economy that most vendors pretend don't exist because it doesn't make them big $$$. And it's a whopper of a conversation with insights, ideas, and conversation that is looking to change things for the better. H...
DtSR Episode 566 - Kellman's Irreverent Cloud Security Take 29.08.2023 42:18
TL;DR: Kellman's been one of the guests I've been chasing for years but he's always been too busy or too tied up in corporate requirements to be on the podcast - but now he's available and here we are. Kellman's got a lot of years behind him slinging network security gear, so it's a bit of a surprise to some that he has pivoted hard into cloud concepts and has some ha...
DtSR Episode 565 - All Tiller, No Filler 22.08.2023 54:40
TL;DR: This week's episode is packed with content, as the one and only Jim Tiller joins James and me for a podcast that ...well ...does a fair bit of analysis of Black Hat, the industry, and several other things that are probably top of mind for you as well. Let's not spoil it for you - give it a listen (and watch the video, it's good) YouTube Video: https://youtube.com/live/se5M5vq...
DtSR Episode 564 - What Happens at Black Hat 23 15.08.2023 41:26
TL;DR: On this episode of post-Black Hat 2023, my buddy Will Gragido joins me to talk about what we saw, what we learned, and what shenanigans transpired. We're focused on marketing and booths - how do vendors differentiate, what do conferencegoers take away, and what makes your booth or offering unique? What about AI? Yeah, we talk about all of that. YouTube Video: https://youtube.com/live/c...
DtSR Episode 563 - AI Washing Black Hat 2023 Pre-Gaming 08.08.2023 40:47
TL;DR This week is Black Hat 2023, or "Hacker Summer Camp" if you prefer. That means that the hype machine will be working overtime, times 10, so here's an episode made to throw some cold water on the madness, and poke a little fun before things go entirely sideways. I hope you enjoy this show, and as always, I welcome your comments on LinkedIn! Guest Karim Hijazi LinkedIn: https://...
DtSR Episode 562 - Is There Even a BYOD Debate Anymore? 01.08.2023 1:00:02
TL;DR: I crashed a party on Security Uncorked and the crew that was having the discussion was kind enough to indulge me and my "bombs" (questions, really) - so I decided to have JJ and Josh on DtSR, and James and I continued the debate and conversation. This was so much more fun than it should have been, but the result is something I think we can be happy with - a healthy debate, some co...
DtSR Episode 561 - Telling Generative AI Your Corporate Secrets 25.07.2023 38:47
TL;DR: This week my old buddies Jason Clark and James Robinson join James and me to talk about "AI" and the realm of possibilities (and risks) that it is. We discuss Artificial Intelligence (AI) as a generational leap in technology - but also the risks it poses for corporations (and real-life, real people too). Listen to the pod in your ears, and watch the video - trust me, you'll l...
DtSR Episode 560 - AppSec Philosophers 18.07.2023 43:38
TL;DR: This week's episode is a come-back episode from the appearance I did on Dan Kuykendall's "Dan on Dev" podcast a couple of days ago. We started such a fun conversation, we just couldn't let it end there. We go through some interesting (in my opinion) history of the AppSec space, Dan does a little "back in my day" stuff, and I get all "Get off my lawn&q...
DtSR Episode 559 - The Law of Diminishing Returns Ride Again 11.07.2023 38:33
TL;DR You've got a slightly different episode this week - it's just James and I on the mic to talk through one of my favorite topics. But first! ... we have to talk about "Threads" and the social media "too much" that's happening. Then we talk about the Law of Diminishing Returns in cyber security -from budget to effort - "How much is good enough?" YouT...
DtSR Episode 558 - The Problems Of Massive Scale 04.07.2023 52:19
Tl;DR: ** Happy Birthday America! ** This week the podcast is celebrating America's birthday by releasing an episode that is a conversation with one of my favorite Canadians. Mark Nunnikhoven is one of the foremost cloud and large scale security professionals, and if anyone in security understands how to explain some of the stresses and strains of security at massive scale it's Mark...
DtSR Episode 557 - Changing Culture and Not Getting Fired 26.06.2023 35:58
TL;DR: On this week's episode we have an expert in leadership with experience in the Federal/Military sector as well as the civilian side. Bo talks about how culture can be changed, ways to approach your constituents, and which styles of information dissemination work best in organizations both large and small. If you're thinking about how to get your team more "security aware"...
DtSR Episode 556 - Will Regulation Price Out the Competition 20.06.2023 47:43
TL;DR: On this software security and regulation-focused episode of the podcast, the OG of AppSec (Jeff Williams) joins James & I to talk about the latest spate of regulations that require self-attested transparency about what companies are doing with respect to securing their software via supply chain and direct action. Jeff contends this is a good thing and it's hard to argue that transp...
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