Devin Bramhall & Margaret Kelsey
Don't Say Content
Marketing and business strategy podcast for executives and marketing leaders who want to improve outcomes from marketing. Marketing veterans Devin Bramhall (Animalz, Help Scout) & Margaret Kelsey (InVision, OpenView) use their combined 20+ years of experience to increase the business impact of marketing by creating shared understanding of its purpose and outcomes among marketing leaders, founders/CEOs & others in the C-suite. Join us for in-depth conversations about B2B marketing behind the scenes: How to run effective marketing teams Hiring best-in-class marketing teams Marketing strategy: Pr...
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Devin Bramhall & Margaret Kelsey
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Apr 1, 2025
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Episodes
Bonus: What's it Really Like to Grow an Audience? (with Rachel Elsts Downey) 30.07.2024 54:42
Just like Content Marketing, growing an audience (organically) takes consistent investment and patience. How much time depends on your resources, strategy and - perhaps most importantly - how broad of a community you're trying to build. Plus a whole bunch of other questions and factors within those areas. We've learned a lot while building Don't Say Content with Share Your Genius, so today we're g...
Bonus: Devin Bramhall on 2 Pizza Marketing 16.07.2024 39:24
In this episode, Devin Bramhall joins Ashley McGovern and Melissa Moody on their show, 2 Pizza Marketing. Like what you hear? Check out their show here: https://www.2pizzamarketing.com/ Resources: Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.dontsaycontent.com/ Created in partnership with Share Your Genius: https://www.shareyourgenius.com/
Replay: What to Do When You Feel Like a Failed Marketer 09.07.2024 1:04:14
In this replay episode, we're revisiting lessons we've learned around failure. Did you just get fired? Spend a bunch of money on a marketing project or campaign that didn’t work? It can feel like marketing failures are happening today at a higher rate than ever before. Markets are changing; buyer’s processes, decision-making, and budgets are in flux; and companies are switching up their marketing...
Never Forget - Human Connection Sets You Apart 11.06.2024 31:25
We’ve talked about a lot of things the past 17 episodes—so where have we landed among the strategies and thoughts and endless fodder around the “state of marketing” at the end of this season? Well, we can tell you we’re looking forward to some genuine human connection and fostering authentic content creation in the coming months more than we are into slangin’ the same old worries we’ve been talkin...
Adaptive Content Marketing is the Way Through This Mess (with George Chasiotis) 05.06.2024 54:11
When times are changin' the rigidity of prescriptive playbooks simply don't work. Instead, companies need adaptive strategies that enable them to capitalize on timely opportunities (the term "growth hacks" comes to mind - with shame), and experiment constantly all while making progress towards their growth goals. Is this the marketing utopia we've all been waiting for? Who knows, but we're excited...
The K-Hole Echo Chamber of Marketing Lunatics aka LinkedIn These Days 28.05.2024 39:51
For all the hype around marketing right now, very little is actually happening besides Google solidifying its dictatorship over businesses trying to use the internet for some free marketing. Nothing is free anymore it seems, except the public displays of insanity by humans on the internet. It’s basically become an adult children’s book of attempted quips gone wrong, and we love it. It’s a stage f...
How’s Misogyny Doing Since The Last Time We Talked About It? 21.05.2024 40:58
We’re not outspoken; we’re speaking…the truth. Our culture doesn’t support women in the workplace effectively (or in some cases, at all), and it doesn’t support the men who are trying to operate and lead equitably, either. But let’s give the bulk of the credit where it’s due: there’s a significant number of men and women who don’t support change either, often in ways that are subtle and thus diff...
Senior Marketers Gather & Pretend Everything is OK 14.05.2024 24:59
We had just recorded an episode about CMOs being anxious when Devin attended AudienePlus’s Golden Hour conference, where the IRL of stressed-out and disillusioned marketers was not only the prevailing topic but also the mood of attendees. This one-day event was a cathartic gathering of senior marketers eager to get their feelings out (then drink them away) amidst the golden strangeness of fake pap...
CRO & the Future of Marketing Strategy (with Ned MacPherson) 09.05.2024 56:14
Experimentation is the Queen of Marketing Strategy these days as Martech continues to evolve, GenAI content becomes the new keyword stuffing and Google follows their hearts on SERPs in what seems like a midlife crisis-induced mushroom trip. No one knows what’s going to happen, so the best marketing strategy today involves testing & play to determine the best tactical mix for your business. Ned...
Building Relationships is Free: Balancing Budget + Creativity in Marketing (with Rachel Elsts Downey) 02.05.2024 57:18
Marketing is really just relationship-building at scale. But within that "scale" are activities that aren't 100% programmable. That's what a successful marketing mix looks like. But explaining that to stakeholders isn't always easy. As marketers we have to be both business strategists, human connectors and creatives. Today we're talking with Rachel Elsts Downey, founder/CEO of Share Your Genius, a...
CMOs Are (Also) Anxious Right Now 23.04.2024 40:36
It’s 5 pm, do you know how your CMO is doing? You probably do, because they are anxiously wading through the same muck wondering how they are going to deliver consistent results while the foundation of their industry and macro environment are in tumult. The average day of a CMO right involves trying to strategically plan growth when even demand gen playbooks aren’t functioning like they used to,...
What Should a Marketing Team Look Like NOW? 09.04.2024 42:52
What makes a marketing function successful today? There are new trends and old playbooks, but what marketers do startups really need? And what about bigger companies? We talk structure, success, and our big dreams for what it looks like in the future. Join us as we chat through what types of marketers we see rising to the top now, and how marketing can best align and structure itself to grow in...
Personal Branding: You’re (Still) Being Silly About It 02.04.2024 40:45
We talked about it way back in season 1. Today, what we’re interested in is: What personal brand currently does for individuals, particularly in a world where there's waning trust among institutions and executives? Personal branding is reputation. As tech moves faster, channels change more rapidly, you have to harness your reputation. Yes, even if you’re B2B. Actually, ESPECIALLY if you’re B2B. ...
Does AI Change What We Think About Quality Content? 26.03.2024 43:11
Ok, ok. So, we’ve all been wrapping our heads around how to use AI in our content marketing production and distribution for a bit now. It’s time we talk about it. In this episode, we dive into some bigger questions. How should you think about AI? How will it affect quality? What does AI change? And what will always remain? If you’re using AI, or if you’re too overwhelmed to even know where to st...
Mastering Senior Leadership Dynamics at Corporate Giants with Atlassian's Ashley Faus 22.03.2024 1:01:32
As you ascend to higher levels in your career, your most valuable skill becomes navigating internal politics, policy, and process. It's not just about managing up when you work for large companies, it's about managing many senior stakeholders and the dynamics they bring with them. Competency goes a long way to getting the opportunities you want, the budgets you need and support for your initiativ...
You're Killing ROI with Your Marketing Attribution 12.03.2024 35:25
This is the best episode we’ve ever recorded. Is it because we get into an in-depth spicy conversation (cough, argument, cough) about why everyone and their mother are measuring awareness and affinity marketing programs totally wrong? Is it because Margaret gets so heated that she drops f-bombs, and eventually Devin says something she RARELY ever says? Is it because we put CFOs completely on blas...
Marketers: You Are Ruining Your Own Career Growth 05.03.2024 29:11
No one taught us the new skills we needed when we became heads of marketing/VPs of marketing. All of a sudden, the majority of our work wasn't marketing itself. Not the external stuff. The majority of our work was executive alignment around the priorities and budget of marketing. And to do so in an exec team that - for the most part - didn't have a marketing background. Daily to-do's changed, an...
The Benefits of Being Completely Audacious 27.02.2024 35:55
Audacity - or as the kids call it: delulu. You need more of it in your life. In this episode, we explore our own relationship with audacity, how to cultivate it, why it’s so elusive to maintain, and why it’s so important at this (and any point) in your career. Resources: Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.dontsaycontent.com/ Created in partnership with Share Your Genius: https://www.shar...
Marketers Are Actually Business Strategists (If You Do It Right) 20.02.2024 31:52
Is marketing a creative or business role? We believe that marketing should be heavily involved in business strategy - not just creative strategy. But oftentimes, the marketing teams are positioned to support business growth rather than craft the strategy itself. In this episode, we explore how founders/CEOs can deploy their marketing function to focus more on business strategy, and what comes firs...
What Founders/CEOs Are Getting Wrong When Hiring and Managing Marketers 13.02.2024 37:18
It’s a tough moment: You’re ready to hire marketing talent (either your first hire or a head of marketing), but you don’t have a background in marketing. What background do you look for? How do you set them up for success? We’ve seen the downward spiral of failure: your VCs/board giving bad advice, a lack of shared language around marketing roles and responsibilities, an over-indexing on tactics...
Here’s What Exactly to Do When You Feel Like a Failed Marketer 13.02.2024 1:02:32
Did you just get fired? Spend a bunch of money on a marketing project or campaign that didn’t work? It can feel like marketing failures are happening today at a higher rate than ever before. Markets are changing; buyer’s processes, decision-making, and budgets are in flux; and companies are switching up their marketing organizations and leadership. Devin and Margaret explore our own relationship...
BONUS: Why CEO is the Best Worst Job 30.01.2024 35:47
Here's a bonus episode from Devin's conversation with Joei Chan on her post, Good Boss, Bad Boss. It's a meaty one where she share lots of secrets about being a good and bad boss, and stories from her time as the boss of all bosses (CEO). Also, season 4 is dropping soon! We're kicking off season 4 on 2/6 with a live show on YouTube. You won't want to miss it. (And if it's past 2/6/24—press play al...
Season 4 is Almost Here... 29.01.2024 1:57
Have you missed us?! Don’t Say Content season 4 is coming back on February 6th, and we’d love for you join us—here on the feed or live, on Youtube. We’re starting the season off on YouTube live on February 6th at noon ET. But don’t worry, we’ll drop the live show on the podcast feed if you can’t make it. Wanna join us live? Check out our YouTube channel here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=danFfr...
BONUS: Margaret Kelsey's Strategic Brand Flywheel on Marketing Powerups 23.01.2024 1:02:19
Bonus episode time! Before season 4 drops, enjoy this bonus episode where Margaret joined Ramli John's Marketing Powerups podcast to talk about her strategic brand flywheel. Like what you hear? Check out Ramli's podcast here: https://marketingpowerups.com/podcast/ For more from Devin + Margaret, head to dontsaycontent.com . Created in partnership with Share Your Genius: https://www.shareyourgenius...
Let’s Just Say the Things We’re Most Terrified of Talking About: We’ll Go First 29.11.2023 36:35
We're even less filtered than normal in our Season 3 finale, so buckle up: we’re talking about our challenges with gender inequity, patterns of entrenched misogyny, societal expectations, unhealthy boundaries, and reflections on how our careers are viewed by others in the industry. Big life changes and challenges bring big reflections and feelings. They also spotlight challenges we’ve accepted and...
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