Devin Bramhall & Margaret Kelsey
Don't Say Content
The marketing and business strategy podcast that executives and marketing leaders can't stop talking about. Marketing veterans Devin Bramhall (Animalz, Help Scout) & Margaret Kelsey (InVision, OpenView) use their combined 20+ years of experience to increase the business impact of marketing by creating shared understanding of its purpose and outcomes among marketing leaders, founders/CEOs & others in the C-suite. No tactics, playbooks, guides, or interviews with smart people (or anyone). Just in-depth conversations about B2B marketing behind the scenes: Communicating value to executive suite a...
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Episodes
You Should Play More 16.05.2023 59:19
The world of creativity is multifaceted. How do you tap into it? How do you use it effectively? And how do you enjoy it? B2B marketing execs Margaret Kelsey (VP of Marketing at OpenView, Director of Brand and Creative at InVision) and Devin Bramhall (former CEO of Animalz, Director of Content at Help Scout) explore the multidimensional nature of creativity and how it can be unlocked through variou...
BONUS: From Content Manager To CEO: The Future Of AI And Content, And How Marketers Need To Evolve 12.05.2023 54:41
It's bonus episode time! Our host, Devin Bramhall joined David Khim, Co-Founder of Omniscent Digital, on Onmiscent's podcast, The Long Game. They discuss Devin's rise from content manager to CEO, the future of AI, content marketing, and leadership lessons, where Devin reflects on lessons learned from mistakes she's made along the way. Listen to The Long Game: https://beomniscient.com/blog/categor...
Founders and Marketers: The Worst Situationship 09.05.2023 36:10
Why can founders and CEOs let marketers do their jobs? From cutting marketing projects mid-flight, to not clearly defining goals or changing KPIs on a whim, founders and CEOs continue to mettle in marketing. Why does this keep happening? Last season we talked about what’s wrong with marketers and the marketing industry. It’s time we flipped the script and put the spotlight on founders and CEOs. B2...
Everyone is Saying Community, But What is it? 02.05.2023 44:24
What if community wasn't a strategy? What if a community was part of your business model? What if it was just part of doing business? Community isn’t just about building a customer feedback loop or customer support center. And more importantly, it’s not a place to spread your message like a megaphone to your audience. Many founders get this wrong because their head is stuck in scale mode. B2B mar...
"High Quality" Content Isn't Real 25.04.2023 33:05
Quality content is a north star for companies, founders, CEOs and marketers alike. But few agree on what “quality” means. Those who do have a definition are often missing important criteria that can lead to ineffective marketing content that flops despite following their “quality” rules. Quality as it relates to content and marketing is relative because it isn't just about the perfection of what...
Wait, Why Are We Podcasting? 28.03.2023 38:42
Getting behind the mic and discussing industry trends, professional (and personal) growth, and sharing their stories has led to a lot of learnings and even more growth for our hosts, Devin and Margaret. In this episode, they reflect on what they’ve learned and where this podcast journey has taken us. We’re bringing season 1 to a close with humor, wit, and a peek behind the curtain at the podcast...
Fear is Your Frenemy. Make it Your Friend 21.03.2023 39:00
When left unresolved, fear keeps us from being productive, connecting with others, and ultimately from personal and career growth. It also never goes away and in fact, can become an even bigger obstacle as you progress in your career. Whether you work for yourself, run a team or a company, fear surfaces over and over to present unique challenges. But when you learn how to work with fear, it can le...
Killing Your Darlings 14.03.2023 36:28
Killing your darlings. Creative constraints. Narrowing scope. In this episode, Devin and Margaret face the challenge of focus—how to create focus for your team without stifling creativity? How do you relinquish control to your direct reports and peers so you can focus on the bigger picture? High performers at any level crave nuance and challenge, and sometimes that means killing your darling idea...
Rage Against Frameworks and Playbooks 07.03.2023 35:52
Instead of frameworks and playbooks, let’s talk about how culture, brand, content, and community intertwine to create a successful marketing strategy. In this episode, Devin and Margaret remind us that marketing isn’t always about numbers and tactics. What really makes marketing departments successful? What fuels recruitment and retention of employees while also building a community around the bra...
Marketing Leadership Blindspots 28.02.2023 35:34
Remember when you felt like your boss just “didn’t get it”? They didn’t understand your constraints, your blockers, how much you are doing? It turns out, when YOU then become a boss, despite your best intentions, it’s easy to make those same mistakes. How come? One contributor is that you’re confronted with an equation you never anticipated before you were in your boss’ shoes. And that repeats as...
Yes, and-ing personal brand 21.02.2023 36:33
In this episode, we're exploring how the evolution of personal brand in B2B is changing everything from strategy to roles to team structure. Plus Margaret and Devin share their very different personal brand experiences. Plus, Futurist Astrologer, Jenn Hirsch, shares her take on personal branding in 2023 in light of a more recent trend, the mycelium network. To submit a marketing nightmare story f...
What do the job market, viral LinkedIn posts, and quiet quitting have in common? 14.02.2023 46:21
In this episode, Devin and Margaret discuss the wet blanket trend of marketers complaining about work. From quiet quitting to rage applying, they are totally bored by this macro passive-aggressive trend and can’t wait for marketers to start creating again. Devin and Margaret look back on the early days of their careers in marketing, and what the industry looks like for current and future marketing...
Introducing Don't Say Content 11.02.2023 2:00
Welcome to Don’t Say Content, a new podcast hosted by Devin Bramhall and Margaret Kelsey. Are you a: —a leader of people? —creative-minded individual? —someone who enjoys a good spicy take? Every Tuesday Devin and Margaret say what’s really on their minds about the marketing industry. After over 10 years in the industry, they are bored with the current state of marketing. So they made a podcast to...
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