Roberto Alonso Trillo, Marek Poliks, and Helena McFadzean
Disintegrator
What does it mean to be human in an age where experience and behavior are mediated and regulated by algorithms? The Disintegrator Podcast is a limited series exploring how Artificial Intelligence affects who we are and how we express ourselves. Join Roberto Alonso Trillo, Marek Poliks, and Helena McFadzean as they speak to the artists, philosophers, scientists, and social theorists at the forefront of human-AI relations. Disintegrator is produced by Rubén Bañuelos.
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Roberto Alonso Trillo, Marek Poliks, and Helena McFadzean
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Jul 8, 2026
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Episodes
12. Piles (w/ Alex Reisner) 30.04.2024 40:39
Alex Reisner's writing in the Atlantic is some of the best investigative coverage of Large Language Models out there. In this episode, we talk through the mind-bogglingly vast archives of random pirated material that provide every major commercial LLMs with their linguistic faculty. Definitely check out his writing on https://www.theatlantic.com/author/alex-reisner/, especially the phenomenal Jan...
11. Reinventing the Surface (w/ Refik Anadol) 10.04.2024 36:31
Refik Anadol, and by extension Refik Anadol Studio, is one of the most visible, if not the most visible, artists working with large models today. His work is everywhere, from MoMa to the Biennale Venezia, from the very first Las Vegas Exosphere art display to the front of Walt Disney Concert Hall. We’re delighted to have had him on the pod to talk through his artistic philosophy, touching specific...
10. Voice (w/ Jennifer Walshe) 26.03.2024 49:53
Jennifer Walshe is one of the coolest people we know. Her artistic work and thought has broken our brains for years, leaving us shipwrecked in its torrential waves of reference and irony and joy and conceptual viscera. We talk about her recent piece for the Unsound Dispatch, 13 Ways of Looking at AI, Art & Music — a series of vignettes that in their totality assemble into one of the most coher...
[Bonus] Non-Player Dynamics (Teaser) 06.03.2024 6:04
Go here for more information about the upcoming talk that Roberto and Marek are doing Sunday, March 10, at 10AM Pacific. It's virtual, so come join us!!!
9. Alignment (w/ Benjamin Bratton) 27.02.2024 53:49
Benjamin Bratton writes about world-spanning intelligences, grinding geopolitical tectonics, “accidental megastructures” of geotechnical cruft, the millienia-long terraforming project through which humans rendered an earth into a world, and the question of what global-scale order means in the twilight of the Westphalian nation-state. Candidly, if either of us were to recommend a book to help you u...
8. World Models (w/ Anil Bawa-Cavia) 14.02.2024 58:58
Anil Bawa-Cavia (AA Cavia) is one of our favorite writers and practitioners on the philosophy of computation. We discovered his work through Logiciel , on &&& (we <3 &&&!), both a gorgeous book in print and an elegant formal depiction of what computation might actually be (a definition that stands in striking contrast to the limitations imposed upon it by the humanities,...
7. Protocols of Encounter (w/ Sofian Audry) 17.01.2024 43:12
Sofian Audry wrote Art in the Age of Machine Learning , an absolute canon read that contextualizes the contemporary flurry of creative AI application and detournement within a much longer lineage of human-machine relations. Their chapter in Choreomata straddles theory and practice, situating Sofian’s own work in the field of robotics within a history of questions: how do we communicate to an audie...
6. Autolinguistics & Autopoetics (w/ Sasha Stiles) 02.01.2024 44:53
Sasha Stiles writes poetry with and as machines. We first encountered her work as a direct, powerful rejoinder to the allegation that AI-generated work is cold, unfeeling, or lifeless. Her chapter in Choreomata underlines the technicity implicit in language and in poetics, positioning technology not as a thing one applies to language but instead as a mode of knowing inextricable from and in kinshi...
[Bonus] Choreomata Launch Panel (w/ Foreign Objekt) 26.12.2023 1:22:25
Here's the audio version of the Choreomata book launch with Foreign Objekt, featuring Anil Bawa-Cavia, Jonathan Impett, Mattin, Reza Negarestani, Keith Tilford, and Jennifer Walshe. MANY thanks to Sepideh Majidi. The full video is here. You can find Choreomata anywhere, especially here .
5. The Unknown X (w/ Luciana Parisi) 18.12.2023 50:15
Luciana Parisi has produced some of the 21st century’s most daring and bold work in the theories of cybernetics, information, and computation. Her work has had a major impact on both Marek and Roberto’s artistic practices, specifically her early work in the inorganic components of human reproduction. Just a brief content note — we mention some complex topics including consent and suicide at the to...
4. Capital Sticks to Itself (Marek Solo Ep.) 03.12.2023 27:01
First - come to our book launch, hosted by our friends at Foreign Objekt and organized by Sepideh Majidi. Dec 9 at 9AM Pacific: https://www.foreignobjekt.com/post/choreomata-book-launch-panel-ai-as-mass-performance . Since both Roberto and Marek are traveling this week, we’re doing something a little different this time — Marek put together a solo-cast . Marek and Roberto wrote the opening chapter...
3. Deep Learning as Parasite (w/ Jon McCormack) 22.11.2023 43:04
Jon McCormack has been investigating the relationships between machine intelligences and creativity for decades. In Episode 3, Jon joins Marek and Roberto to speak about the social and cultural implications of AI -- beginning with the parasitism that deep learning methodologies practice upon human culture and the downstream effects on how we think, learn, and act. We had the privilege of meeting J...
2. Free Labor, Hidden Labor (w/ Tiziana Terranova) 22.11.2023 46:41
Tiziana Terranova has provided all of us with one of the sharpest critical accounts of the modern internet. In this episode, Tiziana, Roberto, and Marek discuss the labor dynamics at play in the contemporary digital economy -- from changes in the social status of creative work, the hidden labor underpinning the mechanics of the virtual world, and the material means by which AI resists pushes for d...
1. Human is Not a Thing (w/ Reza Negarestani) 13.11.2023 58:14
Reza Negarestani has put together one of the strongest philosophical conceptions of Artificial General Intelligence. In this episode, Reza, Marek, and Roberto hit virtually every limit of AI theory -- from the outer banks of the "human", the boundaries of creativity and imagination, the borderlands of contemporary computation, and the social and political and aesthetic implications of all of the a...
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