Jonah Babins and Tyler Williams
Discourse in Magic
Jonah Babins from Discourse in Magic tackles magic’s hardest issues, theories, philosophies, discussion, and more to help you explore. He jumps into all sorts of magic, and resources, and most importantly actionable tips to help better the art and become a killer performer!
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Jonah Babins and Tyler Williams
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Latest episode
Jun 29, 2026
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Episodes
Stolen Episode: How to Start a Show Hosted by Ben Train 14.11.2019 16:03
While Jonah’s away in Spain, Ben Train has infiltrated Jonah’s computer (he really needs a less obvious password). Instead of his original list “10 Weird Facts About Jonah,” Ben has decided to give you some tips on how to start your own show. So, without further ado: Build a Team: You can’t run a show alone! Find like minded individuals who want to help create and run the show. Find the Show’s P...
Vanessa Vakharia on The Math Guru 07.11.2019 8:36
It’s a minisode this week! Jonah recently sat down with math tutor Vanessa Vakharia on her podcast, Math Therapy, to work through his math-related traumas. If you hate math, this is the perfect podcast for you! If you’re interested in hearing the full episode or still need more math therapy, you can find the full episode list on the Math Guru website . You can even find the homework Jo...
Halloween Episode 31.10.2019 7:36
Boo! To celebrate Halloween, Jonah dug through the annals of magic history to find you a frightening magic story. His research led to the following clip of Eugene Burger recounting the tale of one woman and her haunted dollhouse. So lock your doors, shut off your lights, and prepare to be spooked by The Dollhouse of Millie Riggs. The following clip was taken from “Spirit Theater Presents: Ha...
Personality, Television, and Magic Competitions with Ryan Hayashi 24.10.2019 1:14:57
Jonah sits down with Ryan Hayashi this week to talk about finding a personality, magic competitions, and the ins & outs of television magic. Ryan is a hobbyist sleight-of-hand magician with a number of competition wins and television performances under his belt. At the age of eight, Ryan’s uncle gave him a magic kit for Christmas. While the other kids around him eventually lost interest...
Making your Magic Unique with Michael O’Brien 17.10.2019 47:45
This week Jonah sits down with Michael O’Brien to talk collaboration, developing material, and making effects relatable for your audience. Michael is a sleight of hand magician known for his work with the linking rings. At the age of six, Michael remembers receiving the Jawbreaker Magic Set and putting on shows alongside his friends for their families. Once he was in high-school though, his...
The Magic of Collaboration with Brian Brushwood 10.10.2019 1:41:26
Brian Brushwood joins Jonah this week to talk creating content, finding a niche, and failing until you succeed. If you’ve searched for magic on YouTube, there’s a good chance you’ve come across Brian’s channel Scam Nation. Alongside being a Youtuber, Brian is a magician, a podcaster, a comedian, and an author – really, he just loves to share stories. Brian’s jou...
Magician Appetizer #6: All-Purpose Magician 03.10.2019 5:07
Welcome to Magicians Appetizer #6 Hi, Jonah here! This week I read an excerpt from an upcoming project that is available for preorder about the most important thing to do when going pro. The most important thing to do when going pro is to pick your target audience . In this episode I traces out exactly what that means, and why many magicians fail by falling into the ‘all purpose magicianR...
Finding a Moment with Curtis Kam 26.09.2019 1:01:56
Curtis Kam joins Jonah this week to discuss coin magic, thinking about your audience, and finding interesting plots. Although known for his coin work, Curtis is a well-rounded magician and writer who takes a unique approach to his presentations. He also once opened for a volcano. Curtis didn’t start magic with a magic kit. His journey began at the age of eleven when his parents had him tag a...
Biohacking Magic with Anastasia Synn 19.09.2019 53:38
Jonah is joined by Anastasia Synn this week to discuss biohacking, the future, and the shocking side of magic. Anastasia is a biohacker, magician and stunt performer with 26 implants in her body that she uses in her performances and day to day life. Anastasia’s journey into magic began after seeing Chris Angel’s special on TV. His special led her to seeking out a magic store and purcha...
Striking a Balance with Pit Hartling 12.09.2019 56:12
Jonah is joined by Pit Hartling this week to explore creating magic, counting tricks, and making presentation decisions. Pit is a German magician who brings his own take to sleight of hand card magic. At the age of ten, there were a series of small moments that built his passion for magic. He discovered a wooden magic set in his aunt’s basement; he saw the German magician, Marvelli, perform...
Comedy Magic Secrets with Amazing Johnathan 05.09.2019 1:26:26
This week the Amazing Johnathan joins Jonah to talk about comedy, magic and earning your chops. Johnathan is a worldrenowed comedy magician known for his shocking humour and twisted magic tricks. After wandering into a magic store in his hometown, Johnathan’s interest in magic began. Not being the most popular kid at his school, magic helped him stand out among his peers. It would be his spoon be...
Bringing Closeup Card Magic to the Stage with Jimmy Ichihana 29.08.2019 1:01:45
Jonah sits down with Jimmy Ichihana this week to discuss community, embracing your interests, and bringing card magic to the stage. Jimmy is a sleight of hand performer from Florida who has performed at the Magic Castle and has appeared twice on Fool Us. While Jimmy grew up in New York, his love for magic began in California where his uncle showed him a card trick that fooled him badly and cemente...
Esther’s Follies’ Inner Secrets with Ray Anderson 22.08.2019 1:00:14
This week, Jonah sits down with Ray Anderson to discuss putting on a show, developing a character, and keeping your material fresh. Ray has been a featured performer with the long-running variety show, Esther’s Follies, for 20+ years. By mixing parody with grand stage illusions in an intimate setting, Ray brings a unique approach to magic. Ray’s journey into magic began like most; he r...
Magician Appetizer #5: Listener Q&A 15.08.2019 14:08
You had questions, Jonah has answers! Recently, Jonah asked listeners via social media and the mailing list to send in any questions they have regarding magic to be answered on this week’s episode. If you have a different take on the questions or if you didn’t get a chance to ask, please reach out to Jonah as he’d love to hear from you! Thank you to everyone who sent in questions...
Never Stop Exploring with Mario the Maker Magician 08.08.2019 1:09:26
Jonah is joined by Mario the Maker Magician this week to discuss bringing value to your show, learning to be a flexible performer, and instilling passion into your magic. Mario is a children’s show performer who uses D.I.Y robots, handmade props and a slapstick performance style to show that magic can be found in anything. At seventeen, Mario left him with his dog Cloudkicker to hitchhike ac...
Reinventing Your Magic with Stuart MacDonald 01.08.2019 1:26:22
This week, Jonah sits down with Stuart MacDonald to discuss storytelling, effective methods for practicing, and what to consider when changing your act. In 2017, Stuart made history at the IBM-SAM Combined Convention where he claimed all 5 top awards with his unique performance. If you haven’t seen the performance, we highly recommend watching it before listening to the episode: https://www....
Finding Your Voice with Jamy Ian Swiss 25.07.2019 2:12:37
Jonah is joined by Jamy Ian Swiss this week to discuss persona, creativity and the importance of learning the classics. Alongside being a dedicated, lifelong student of magic, Jamy is a prolific writer, sleight of hand artist, and magic historian. Growing up as a shy, introverted child, Jamy was often introduced to new hobbies by his parents in an attempt to bring him out of his shell. His first...
Magician Appetizer #4: Reaching Out 18.07.2019 2:58
Jonah serves up another bite-sized episode this week, giving you the motivation you might just need to hear.
Magician Appetizer #3: Sitting Down to Write 11.07.2019 4:08
Does the blank page scare you? Do you constantly find yourself deleting and retyping the same thing, only to repeat the process? Do you wish the computer could just read your mind and write the script you want for you? In this bite-sized episode, Jonah addresses writer’s block and offers an easy strategy to start writing your magic script.
F**k Fear with Adam Rubin 04.07.2019 1:13:37
Jonah sits down with Adam Rubin this week to discuss creativity, writing, and applying magic to other aspects of your life. Alongside being a magician, Adam is the Director of Puzzles for Art of Play, a #1 New York Times best selling picture book author, and an ex-creative director in advertising. Adam’s journey into magic started when his friend repeatedly fooled him with a trick involving...
Perceiving Magic with Julie Eng 27.06.2019 1:31:59
This episode Jonah sits down with Julie Eng to discuss Magicana, the community within magic, and elevating the perception of magic. Julie is an award-winning performer and the executive director of Magicana. Growing up with a magician as a father meant that magic was always a part of her life. She, alongside her sister, would perform in and help with the behind the scenes of her father’s sho...
Sammy Younan on My Summer Lair 20.06.2019 1:01:01
This week Jonah is the one being interviewed as he joins Sammy Younan on his podcast, My Summer Lair, to discuss the perception of magic and developing in your craft. My Summer Lair is a podcast that explores the fringes of pop culture in Toronto by bringing on local artists to discuss their craft. Make sure you listen until the end of the episode to hear Jonah perform a trick that you can foll...
Finding Beauty and Poetry in your Magic with Kiko Pastur 13.06.2019 1:18:49
Kiko Pastur joins Jonah this week to discuss aesthetic magic, challenging your creativity, and finding symbolism in an effect. Kiko is a magician from A Coruña, Spain, whose style draws on the beauty and wonder of our world. Growing up, Kiko discovered magic alongside his brother and his brother’s friend. Having grown up in the Northern part of Spain, Kiko’s magic became more inspired...
Disillusionment and Exploring Intent with Nate Staniforth 06.06.2019 1:14:36
This week Jonah sits down with Nate Staniforth to discuss disillusionment, determining your intent, and creating visceral effects. Alongside touring the college circuit, Nate is the author of Here is Real Magic and Clouds and Kingdoms. At nine years old, Nate happened to stumble upon magic after being inspired by Lord of the Rings; he, like Gandalf, wanted to cast spells and seem unstoppable, s...
The Heart and Soul of Magic with Ran’D Shine 30.05.2019 1:08:21
This episode Jonah sits down with Ran’D Shine to discuss performing on the college circuit, creating inclusive environments and the rich history of African Americans in magic. Alongside being a highly sought after, award winning magician on the college circuit, Ran’D is also a magic historian and educator. Ran’D’s journey in magic began as a graduate student attending Penn State for he...
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