Jonah Babins and Tyler Williams

Discourse in Magic

Arts EN ↓ 370 episodes

Jonah Babins from Discourse in Magic tackles magic’s hardest issues, theories, philosophies, discussion, and more to help you explore. He jumps into all sorts of magic, and resources, and most importantly actionable tips to help better the art and become a killer performer!

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Jonah Babins and Tyler Williams

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Arts

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discourseinmagic.com

Latest episode

Jun 29, 2026

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Episodes

Truth & Deception with Colin McLeod 30.09.2021

This week Jonah connects with Colin McLeod to talk about his return to his live show at the Mirage in Vegas. Together they talk about his journey from comedy to magic, and the very different goals they each have with the audience, and his thoughts on making sure that his brand of mentalism is being presented to the audience in an entertaining but also ethical way. Comedy vs Magic Colin shares with...

Magic Appetizer: Yeses, Nos, and Maybes 23.09.2021

This week Jonah has advice to help you succeed during the most important time of the year for a professional magician. This month, and the next three months, are very important months for your magic business. September, October, November, and December are ridiculously important months for your magic business. The Most Important People To Reach Out To So aside from doing everything with your market...

The Best Magic Show Of Your Life with Bill Malone 16.09.2021

This week Jonah is thrilled to connect with the legendary Bill Malone. Whether you watched any of his DVDs or saw him on YouTube as a kid, or don’t know who he is yet, this is going to be an incredible conversation with someone who embodies the very aspect of Discourse in Magic.  Bill Malone is one of those guys in magic who basically has it all covered. In sleight of hand, he is absolutely...

Between Dreams Podcast with Chris Ruggiero 09.09.2021

This week we share with you an episode from the Between Dreams podcast with Chris Ruggiero, who recently featured Jonah as a guest.  Chris and Jonah have a lot in common as both have shifted from primarily being entertainers to now helping with production and advising other creators. Chris is a legend with a history as a professional juggler and an eye like nobody else, producing a really great sh...

Magic Appetizer: 3 Tips For Being Creative 02.09.2021

This week Jonah offers up three tips to help you boost your magic creative output. Tip 1: Challenge Yourself Jonah is, right now with Ben, participating in a challenge they’ve called the Tarbell Challenge . It is a monthly challenge on YouTube from the Tarbell course in magic. Ben and Jonah take a book a month and come up with a trick from the book. They make it their own and then publish it on Yo...

Three Questions With Jake Strong Podcast 26.08.2021

This week we share a segment from the Three Questions with Jake Strong Podcast, in which Jonah was recently a guest on.  Jake’s podcast is a simple premise, he asks his guests three questions. That’s it! And in this episode he asked Jonah about the misunderstood aspects of running a magic business, the preparation that goes into interviewing his guests on Discourse in Magic, and his st...

The Secrets of Rubber Band Magic with Joe Rindfleisch 19.08.2021

This week Jonah sits down with Joe Rindfleisch to talk all about rubber band magic and hoe Joe is at the forefront of developing the language used to teach this style of magic and the classic magic he taps into to influence the new tricks he’s developing. “You got sixty bucks”? Originally Joe wasn’t involved in magic at all, but he did meet with friends to play cards and eventually every nig...

UnConventional.fun … In Space! 12.08.2021

Ben and Jonah are back to get you excited about taking UnConventional.fun beyond the final frontier, that’s right, they’re going to space!  Of course we mean virtually, as UnConventional.fun is the premier virtual magic convention and the next one is happening on August 28th and 29th and tickets are still available at UnConventional.fun! In Space No One Can Hear You Sleep The first UnConventional....

Magical Stories of Magic Legends with Howard Hamburg 05.08.2021

This week Jonah connects with legendary “underground” magician Howard Hamburg. Howard has never been a full time professional magician but at eighty-three years he is a long-standing member of The Magic Castle and considers some of the greatest magicians of our time to be among his closest friends.  Howard shares with us his recollections of the heydays of the Magic Castle, how he &#82...

Creating Impossible Magic Experiences with Helder Guimarães 29.07.2021

This week Jonah connects with Helder Guimarães, a prolific magician known for bending the expectations of what a magic show is capable of. In this episode they’ll discuss how to balance the artistic and the logical sides of your performances, why Helder requests that those who purchase his material not perform them on TV or online, and how he directed his love of performance and creation tow...

The Toronto Magic Company Bought A Teleprompter! 22.07.2021

Ben Train returns to harass Jonah for another update from the Toronto Magic Company.  This week they discuss the winding down of virtual shows, what their first live show post-pandemic was like, how they’re planning for the future of in-person shows, how they’re consulting for other businesses, and how much fun they’re having the new teleprompter they purchased!  Are Virtual Even...

Magic Appetizer: Tools For Your Team 15.07.2021

This week Jonah shares with you six tools that will make working with your team easier as you expand your magic business.   #1: Slack Slack documents your conversations. How many times have you communicated with a freelancer in an email thread that goes on and on and on and on, or have you shared information and you have to go and dig through it. Slack makes that communication a little bit easier,...

Reviewing & Marketing The Secrets of Magic with Ekat 08.07.2021

This week Jonah connects with Ekat, an incredible magician, youtuber, cardist, and so much more. Together they’ll talk about creating content online, the difficulty in marketing magic, and the challenges that come up when trying to ethically review magic products. You Gotta Join The Circus  Ekat was first introduced to magic while still living in Russia, where her favourite place was visitin...

Overcoming Obstacles In Magic With Cody Clark 01.07.2021

This week Jonah connects with Cody Clark to talk about his sensory sensitivity shows for autistic audiences, performing with autism, and the obstacles that still remain in the magic community for minority and disabled performers. Won Over By Magic Cody shares with us the story of his autism diagnosis and the choices his parents made at the time to not subject him to harmful treatments but instead...

Creating Magic Adjacent Content with John Gaspard and Jim Cunningham 24.06.2021

This week Jonah connects with John Gaspard and Jim Cunningham, the minds behind Sunday Night Magic and the Eli Marks series of mystery novels.  Together they talk about creating content adjacent to magic and the joy of creating works that are not intended to make any money.  Neither Jim or John identify as working magicians, but they both share a profound love the art form and have each found uniq...

Tips, Tools, and Tricks of the Trade with The Toronto Magic Company 17.06.2021

Jonah is back with Ben Train with the Toronto Magic Company to ask him questions about how they’re handling the virtual slowdown during the summer, how they’re preparing for the future of Unconventional.fun , and what tools they’re using to run their business and coordinate with their growing team. The Virtual Slowdown Jonah and Ben share their feelings for the future. Will there...

Three Questions To Ask Yourself with Peter Samelson 10.06.2021

This week Jonah connects with Peter Samelson where he offers up three questions we can ask ourselves to make our magic scripts better. Something Theatre Couldn’t Do Peter Samelson originally focused on theatre with an intention to do something with his life that was worthwhile and mattered. After training to become an actor and moving to New York to make an impact in the theatre scene he realized...

Making Magic Funny with Doc Dixon 03.06.2021

This week Jonah connects with Doc Dixon to talk about comedy in magic and the work that goes into getting those laughs. If you’ve been in magic for a while then you definitely know the name Doc Dixon. He is a creator, a thinker, a performer, and a worker. He has appeared on Penn & Teller’s Fool Us twice (and fooled them once!) and you’ve probably seen him at a convention or you’ve seen somethi...

Upgrade Your Magic Business with Upgrade Academy 27.05.2021

This week Jonah shares three success stories from the Upgrade Academy.  If you want to super-charge your magic business and equip yourself with the skills and knowledge you need to host successful virtual shows you can sign up for the Upgrade Academy by visiting discourseinmagic.com/upgrade Case Study 1: Doc Dixon Doc Dixon is well known, you might have already seen him on Fool Us, and is absolute...

Not Taking Magic Seriously with Chris Cox 20.05.2021

This week Jonah connects with Chris Cox to discuss his unique brand of mentalism, what it’s been like to go from touring every day to virtual shows at home, and why he loves magic but doesn’t find magic very interesting. Chis Cox is a mentalist who has performed on Broadway and on the BBC and toured as “The Mentalist” in the Illusionists. He’s also spent the past year crushing it in vi...

Toronto Magic Company Returns To MagicLand 13.05.2021

Ben and Jonah are back with the latest from the Toronto Magic Company. This week they’re returning to MagicLand and they want you to return with them.  UnConventional.fun is returning for its third convention, Return To MagicLand, and is happening May 29th and 30th.  New Experiences If you’ve been to previous UnConventional.fun events you’ll be excited to hear that Ben has been spending the...

Developing Magic Through Technology with Trigg Watson 06.05.2021

This week Jonah connects with Trigg Watson where they break down how he quit his corporate job to perform in magic full time, how he developed his reputation as the “tech magician”, and his advice for you when developing magic for a video camera lens. The Perfect Vessel Trigg was four years old when one of his friends performed magic for him for the first time. He doesn’t remember what...

Toronto Magic Company: Is Virtual Magic Ending? 29.04.2021

Ben Train returns to join Jonah in another check in with the Toronto Magic Company where they discuss the changing dynamics of the magic industry during the pandemic, the launch of their YouTube programming, and their fears about the future of virtual magic. The Plateau The global pandemic changed everything when it came to live events for magic and Ben and Jonah break down the different stages th...

Virtual Shows, Virtual Conventions, and Magic Podcasts with Kayla Dreshcer from Shezam! 22.04.2021

This week Jonah and Kayla Drescher team up for a crossover episode with Discourse in Magic and Shezam! In it they talk about producing magic podcasts, hosting virtual conventions, and the challenges facing the magic community today. Podcasting With Magic Jonah and Kayla break down the differences and similarities between their two shows and ask each other what they would like to see done in the wo...

Magic Appetizer: The Pivot Back 15.04.2021

Is virtual magic ending? Are virtual magic shows going to go away? Jonah doesn’t know but he will tell you one thing, he doesn’t think they’re going to disappear because he think that’s going to be hard to get the toothpaste back in the bottle. If virtual employees keep existing, at least in some regard, so will virtual magic shows. So, you must be thinking the question, how much longer do we have...

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