Jonah Babins and Tyler Williams

Discourse in Magic

Arts EN ↓ 370 episodes

Jonah Babins from Discourse in Magic tackles magic’s hardest issues, theories, philosophies, discussion, and more to help you explore. He jumps into all sorts of magic, and resources, and most importantly actionable tips to help better the art and become a killer performer!

Author

Jonah Babins and Tyler Williams

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Arts

Podcast website

discourseinmagic.com

Latest episode

Jun 29, 2026

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Episodes

Creating Magic and Fooling Magicians with Ondřej Pšenička 29.11.2018

This week, Jonah sits down with Ondřej Pšenička to discuss creating magic, Fool Us, and the importance of community. Ondřej is an award-winning magician who has performed at the Magic Castle, on Penn & Teller, and is the creator of the Butterfly Deck. Ondřej doesn’t really have a story about how he got into magic, it was always just an interest.  With the help of his mom, he was able to find a...

Monthly Catch up: Len Cooper and Esther Follies 22.11.2018

It’s a solo episode for 138 as Jonah sits down to catch you up on his trip to Austin, where he’s at with his magic and new ideas for the podcast. Austin, Texas Jonah recently traveled to Austin, Texas to perform a private show for a group of online marketers. While there, he had the opportunity to listen to their expertise in marketing while being able to share his knowledge of performing. One of...

Secrets to Developing Your Act with Carisa Hendrix 15.11.2018

Magic podcast hosts collide this episode as Carisa Hendrix, co-host of Shezam, sits down with Jonah to discuss performance, women in magic, cultural theory, and “It Factor.” Carisa is an award-winning magician who brings her background in visual arts and sideshow to her magic. Carisa’s reason for getting into magic is a complex one, but she can trace the root of her inspiration b...

Music, Magic and Using Your Other Passions with Jonathan Friedman 08.11.2018

Musician-turned-magician Jonathan Friedman joins Jonah this week to discuss combining outside passions with your magic and how magic has changed over the years. Jonathan is the best selling author of The 80’s Called…They Want Their Magic Book Back Vol. One and The Magic of Jonathan Friedman: The Musical. Jonathan was first introduced to magic at the age of six when his father showed him a fe...

Vanishing Inc, Going Pro and Publishing your Magic with Andi Gladwin 01.11.2018

This week, Jonah finally sits down with Andi Gladwin—co-founder of Vanishing Inc.—to discuss the business of magic, publishing magic, and how to manage your time. Andi has also appeared on Fool Us and The Next Great Magician where he performed his Man in a Balloon act.  Andi never planned to be a full-time magician. Unlike his magician friends, Andi left university to take on a job with a web host...

Co-hosts, Banksy, and Getting Caught Up 25.10.2018

It’s a short episode this week with Jonah talking about the state of the podcast, the Banksy painting fiasco, and the Toronto Magic Company. The Banksy Painting Referencing David Parr’s episode, Jonah relates the shredding of the Banksy painting to David’s idea of a narrative allowing you to get away with a method. This comparison was sparked by an article that attempts to determine if the paintin...

Why Tyler is Leaving the Podcast 19.10.2018

With his passion shifting away from magic, Tyler says goodbye to the magic community and to Discourse in Magic in episode 133. Over the course of two hours, Tyler and Jonah discuss why he has decided to leave while reminiscing about their time working on the podcast.  The Reasons Behind his Departure Tyler never planned to become a professional magician. He originally got into magic as a way to ge...

Performance That Engages on Multiple Levels with David Parr 11.10.2018

Known for his appearance on Fool Us, David Parr joins Tyler and Jonah. Bringing his theatrical background to magic this episode, David discusses the value of live theatre, the power of storytelling and Fool Us. David received a magic set when he was younger, and, once he learned all its tricks, needed to know more. His studies led him to the local library and magic store. Soon after, he was perfor...

Bridging the Old and the New with Harapan Ong 04.10.2018

Harapan Ong joins Tyler and Jonah this week to discuss Instagram magic, developing your art, and the public’s exposure to magic. While Harapan is not a full-time magician, you can find him performing from and reviewing magic books on his Instagram show, Fully Booked . Growing up in Singapore, Harapan had a very limited exposure to magic. His intro to magic began after seeing David Copperfield perf...

Ads, Ethics, AGT 28.09.2018

This week, Tyler and Jonah sit down to discuss their past month’s projects, advertising, their views on ethics in magic and Shin Lim.  Catching Up Tyler has continued with his studies into media creation. His focus has primarily been on video production, and he is looking to branch out his video into magic related areas. Jonah’s month was full of magic between his show at Dave and Buster’s startin...

Innovation and Being Unsatisfied with Existing Methods with Axel Hecklau 20.09.2018

We are very excited to have Axel Hecklau join us. He is an  award-winning magician , taking second place for parlour magic at the 2018 FISM World Championship, who brings his unique insight to improving existing methods this episode. Axel took up magic when he was 12 years old after deciding he wanted to perform a magic show for his grandpa’s birthday. Alongside a group of young magicians and the...

Summer Catch-Up and Remaining Q & A 06.09.2018

We start episode 127 by catching up with Tyler and Jonah. While Tyler hasn’t been performing much practical magic, he has been developing his video and editing skills. Meanwhile, Jonah’s month was steeped with magic. He recently finished his summer tour and had the chance to visit L.A. to perform some intimate closeup shows. Jonah also had the chance to visit the Magic Castle where he saw Laura Lo...

Magic Goals and Winning the Crowd with Karl Hein 30.08.2018

Episode 126 is with Slight of Hand magician Karl Hein who is known for WOWing audiences with amazing and original magic and routines. Jonah has seen him perform both at the Magic Castle, and at a Toronto Magic Company show he produced in Toronto. Karl started in magic at an early age, learning and performing tricks first from a Disney Magic book. Once he started buying tricks from a local magic sh...

Quarterly Q & A 24.08.2018

Today’s monthly episode is a 1 am Q&A Episode, with Discourse in Magic: Nights. There was a lot of questions this time, mostly from the mailing list, sorry if they didn’t get to your question. Get on the Newsletter by clicking here , to be in contact with Jonah and get your questions answered next time In this episode they talk about the state of magic, their favourite magicians, incredi...

Using Magic to Make an Impact with David Peck 16.08.2018

David Peck is a Toronto magician who specialized in manipulation. He is now a speaker, a writer, and a mover and a shaker in the world of social change. You may recognize him from his Face 2 Face podcast . His introduction into magic involved being astounded by strange tricks from the community and his uncle. He became extremely intrigued by it all and once he received his first magic kit from his...

Becoming an Amazing Performer with Kayla Drescher 09.08.2018

Kayla Drescher is a … magician, who recently performed on  Pen & Teller’s “Fool Us” and has a new podcast, called Shezam chatting all about women in magic. She got into magic by accidentally walking into a magic shop with her dad, became very curious at what was happening and started from there. She then started to take lessons and joined a magic society, headlining her first magic show...

Internet Exposure, AGT, and Other Magic Updates 03.08.2018

It’s time for the Discourse in Magic boys to have their monthly get together episode, but this time they’re separated as Jonah has been touring Ontario and Quebec. Tyler, meanwhile, has been shooting more videos for his work and Instagram, while also watching other magician’s live performances. Some magicians that they’re both excited about is Shin Lim with his spot on America’s Got Talent and Jay...

Hypnosis, and the Business of Show Business with Dave Curran 26.07.2018

Hypnosis, Business, and Producing shows Dave Curran is a Ontario based Hypnotist known for his Las Vegas-like shows. He’s a friend of Jonah’s (who’s seen his shows over 200 times). Dave was horrible with magic at first, but after buying and practising magic-shop tricks at the age of 11, he begun doing close-up and walk-around shows. He then took improv lessons and, after seeing Terry Stokes live,...

How to Perform Card Magic with Jason Ladanye 19.07.2018

Jason Ladanye is a world-class sleight of hand magician and card cheating expert, known for his latest book “Confident Deceptions”, his studies with Darwin Ortiz and knowledge in the major topics of theory, practise, scripting and tension made him a great addition to the podcast. Jason first started magic when he was 5 through his brother showing him a simple magic trick and his parents giving him...

Make Your Own Magic and Start to Get Bookings 12.07.2018

In this minisode (mini-episode) Jonah records a short episode with his advice to the responses he received to his regular email asking the Discourse in Magic audience one special question. He asked our 1000 person email newsletter: “What do you want to learn”, and received dozens of answers that landed in two categories. How do I put together my own routine out of a trick? How do I sta...

Is There a ‘Correct’ Type of Magic? 07.07.2018

It’s time for your regular catch-up episode with Jonah and Tyler. The episode starts with a quick recap of the last month, where Jonah talks about the Art of Magic, his trip to Chicago and Minneapolis, and much more, and Tyler tells us about a corporate gala gig he got to do! Tyler ended up performing during the meals meant there were plenty of other performers around, so he had a free Salsa lesso...

Gambling, Cheating, and The Expert at the Card Table with Jason England 28.06.2018

For Episode 117, the Discourse in Magic boys got a chance to sit down with Jason England. If you didn’t know, Jason England is the leading expert on Erdnase, Casino gambling and cheating. His interest in cards started after learning how to play blackjack with his Grandma, and watching the Carson show with his Dad, which lead him to the beginnings of buying card books. Because of this, he stu...

The Toronto Magic Company 21.06.2018

In this episode, Jonah slides over to the other side of the couch so that he can pair with Ben Train and talk about the birth and the growth of the Toronto Magic Company. It start with the story of how TMC began. Like all projects there are ups and downs, but from the episode hopefully you can learn from our mistakes and make less of them. We’re living in the golden age of live magic, so if...

The Internet, Creation, and Mutant Powers with Kyle Marlett 14.06.2018

This week Jonah and Tyler talk with magician Kyle Marlett about his new show Mutant Powers . Kyle explains the ins and outs of working in the world of magic and how he has become a fantastic magic consultant and creator. Having had many years of experience in television Kyle gives a behind the scenes look at what working in the industry is really like. He also discusses what it was like working on...

Surrealist Performance Art 07.06.2018

It’s time for episode 114 and our monthly catch-up for Jonah and Tyler.  The pair like to get together every four weeks or so to talk about their magic careers and to answer you questions.  Tyler has been slow on the performing side but has been creating at steady clip. He’s had to prioritize his downtime because of his new job.  That has forced him to set aside some quality magic time. Tyler also...

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