Jonathan Wold & Luke Carbis

Crossword

Perspectives on WordPress and the Open Web.

Author

Jonathan Wold & Luke Carbis

Category

Technology

Podcast website

crossword.fm

Latest episode

Jul 10, 2026

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Episodes

Invasion or Innovation? 11.02.2025

The WordPress plugin repository is seeing an influx of AI-generated plugins, and Luke is on the front lines. He and Jonathan discuss the challenges of reviewing AI-generated code, and the potential implications for the future of the plugin repo. Is this a threat to the ecosystem, or a sign of exciting new possibilities?

WordPress Therapy 04.02.2025

Jonathan seeks WordPress therapy from Luke, grappling with a growing sense of unease about the state of the project. They discuss the challenges of navigating a rapidly changing landscape, the importance of finding opportunities amidst the chaos, and the need for honest conversations about the future of WordPress.

Foundations 24.01.2025

From Post Status's non-profit transformation to the emergence of the WPCC, the foundations of the WordPress ecosystem are shifting. Maybe. Jonathan and Luke discuss the potential for positive change, or further fragmentation.

Hedging Bets 20.01.2025

Luke asks Jonathan if he has started investing time in other platforms and technologies in light of recent events. Jonathan shares his evolving perspective on WordPress and the open web. They also grapple with quantifying the real-world impact of this series of events.

Breaking Toys 15.01.2025

Automatic is reducing its contributions to WordPress core, and Luke suspects it's a strategic move by Matt to exert control. Jonathan explores alternative interpretations, but both agree that this action carries significant risks for the future of the project.

Back to Business? 10.01.2025

Crossword returns for Season 8. Jonathan and Luke catch up after the holiday break, review the news, and decide not to talk about cricket. Is the WordPress community finally getting back to business, or are there more surprises in store?

The Price of Criticism 22.11.2024

Luke expresses fear of being "canceled" from the WordPress community for criticizing Matt Mullenweg. Jonathan questions the likelihood of such retribution, but Luke points to the banning of Ryan McCue and others as evidence of Matt's willingness to silence dissent. Is there a price to pay for speaking truth  to power in the WordPress world?

Centralization, Governance, and Commercialization 14.11.2024

What does a healthy future look like for WordPress? Luke shares three key takeaways from a  WordCamp Sydney hallway track: the importance of centralization, the need for better governance, and the  potential benefits of commercializing WordPress.org. Do Jonathan and the wider community agree?

De-escalation 31.10.2024

Is the WordPress drama finally winding down? Jonathan senses a de-escalation, but Luke points  out there are still some unsettling loose ends. They discuss new data on WordPress growth, the departure of  more plugins from WordPress.org, and the lingering questions about the future of the project.

Identity Crisis 24.10.2024

Matt Mullenweg's actions have sparked an identity crisis within the WordPress community. Luke  and Jonathan grapple with the realization that their sense of belonging and purpose is intertwined with a project  that might be slipping away. Can they find a way to reconcile their personal investments with the unsettling  reality of WordPress today?

Threshold 23.10.2024

Luke has reached a point of acceptance about the future of WordPress, but that doesn't mean he's  giving up. Join the conversation as he and Jonathan explore the different paths forward, from Matt  Mullenweg's  potential departure to the emergence of a more unified and empowered community.

Stages 15.10.2024

Matt Mullenweg’s actions over the past few weeks raises a fundamental question: What does success look like for an open-source project? Luke and Jonathan discuss the weekends’ events, ask more questions than they answer, and work through the stages of grief.

Problemattic 11.10.2024

Even the most optimistic members of the WordPress community are feeling down. In  this episode of Crossword, Jonathan and Luke grapple with the emotional weight of Matt Mullenweg's actions,  including a bizarre new login requirement on WordPress.org, and question whether a "war" is truly the best  path  forward.

Departure 08.10.2024

Josepha Haden Chomphosy, a leading voice in the WordPress project, has stepped down. Luke sees this as a canary in the coal mine, but Jonathan remains optimistic that there are better times ahead. Can Matt turn it around   or is this the beginning of a mass exodus?

Tithe & Taxes 04.10.2024

WP Engine mirrored the WordPress.org repository, sparking a conversation about centralization and control. In this episode, Luke and Jonathan discuss the technicalities of mirroring, the potential for fragmentation, and whether Matt Mullenweg's invitation for others to "step up" is sincere.

Fallout 01.10.2024

Luke and Jonathan discuss the far-reaching consequences of Matt Mullenweg's actions against WordPress  Engine. From individual developers to large agencies, they examine how this conflict impacts the livelihoods of  those deeply embedded in the WordPress ecosystem. Is this the kind of leadership WordPress needs going  forward?

Scorched Earth 27.09.2024

Existential wasn't hyperbole. In this episode, Luke and Jonathan react to the breaking news of WordPress.org  cutting off access to WP Engine servers, effectively crippling over a million websites. They unpack the potential  motivations and ramifications of this unprecedented move by Matt Mullenweg.

Existential Threat 26.09.2024

Is WordPress facing an existential threat? In the premier of Season 7, Luke and Jonathan discuss Matt Mullenweg and WP Engine. They explore the implications of Matt’s recent actions, whether or not the benefit of the doubt applies, and the ramifications to the broader community.

WordCamp Asia 2024 25.03.2024

In this episode Jonathan and Luke reflect on their experience at WordCamp Asia, explore Luke's vision for the Plugin Review Team and how to improve developer relations in the WordPress community.

The new role of themes 11.10.2023

In this episode, Luke and Jonathan discuss the role of WordPress themes in 2023, how block themes and the Full Site Editor have changed the landscape and where the line between themes and plug-ins should be. They also reflect on their current projects.

Repository Considerations 26.09.2023

In this episode Luke and Jonathan talk about the ramifications of cloning the WordPress Plugin repository onto WordPress.com. How to do it in a way that keeps plugin developers onside, and as a bonus, Jonathan read the whole Terms of Service so you don't have to.

Mullenmusk 19.09.2023

In this episode Jonathan and Luke discuss the latest round of #WPDrama after WordPress.com cloned the WordPress.org plugin repository.

Intrusive Ads 12.09.2023

In this episode Luke and Jonathan disagree on who is to blame for intrusive ads inside of the WordPress admin Dashboard. They also cover some of the best practices and motivations of plugin developers, plus how to stop annoying the users.

WordPress Security 05.09.2023

In this episode Luke and Jonathan explore the complex world of WordPress plugin security and what really happens when a vulnerability is identified. The system could be better, but how do we fix it?

Good Plugins 23.08.2023

In this episode Joshua Wold fills in for Jonathan, discusses plugins, the value of good design in the onboarding process and what makes a strong product founder. Luke tries to bait him with comments about developer supremacy, but Joshua never took the bait.

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