Co-Creating the Third Attractor

In this conversation with Robyn Short, author of The Matriarch Effect, we explore how matriarchal principles could help us create a more compassionate, equitable and life-affirming world. Robyn challenges a common misconception: matriarchy is not simply patriarchy with women in charge. It represents a fundamentally different way of organizing society, based on nurturing, shared power, human dignit...

Can we build a future defined by Peopleism? Explore how to align governance with the needs of nature, people, and capital. In this conversation, Ravi Chaudhry outlines why our current institutions are failing to address the global leadership crisis. By moving from a knowledge-based approach to a wisdom economy, we can bridge the gap between our technological capacity and our ethical responsibility...

In this conversation with philosopher and futurist Alexander Bard, we explore what a Third Attractor could look like beyond the growing forces of authoritarian control and individualistic chaos. Alexander introduces his vision of Ecotopia, a thriving planet in which humanity learns to live within ecological limits while consciously shaping a better future. We explore why fear and guilt are unlikel...

If we are all expressions of one consciousness, what does that mean for our freedom, our responsibility and our ability to create a better world? In this conversation with Lenaa Kumar, author of The Autobiography of God, we explore some profound questions at the intersection of Advaita Vedanta, nonduality and evolutionary spirituality. Lenaa shares her understanding of Shiva and Shakti as consciou...

Can we consciously create a different future, or are we trapped in the systems and stories of the past? In this conversation with futurist Sohail Inayatullah, we explore how humanity might move towards a more conscious, cooperative and life-affirming future. Sohail introduces two powerful tools from futures studies: the Futures Triangle, which helps us understand the pull of the future, the push o...

In this conversation with Alexander Laszlo, we explore what it means to consciously co-create the future by aligning ourselves with the evolutionary movement of life. Alexander introduces the concept of Syntony, a dynamic harmony in which we learn to listen, respond and move with the emerging patterns of life. We explore the difference between controlling the future and allowing ourselves to be pa...

In this conversation with Tiokasin Ghosthorse, we explore a profoundly different way of understanding our relationship with Earth, life and the future. Drawing on his Lakota heritage, Tiokasin challenges some of the deepest assumptions of Western civilization: our need to control, our belief in progress, our separation from nature, and even our understanding of consciousness and agency. We speak a...

In this conversation with Rob Hopkins, founder of the Transition movement, we explore what twenty years of community-led change can teach us about co-creating the Third Attractor. Rob shares how Transition began in the small town of Totnes and grew into an international movement of communities experimenting with local food, energy, housing, currencies and new ways of working together. At its heart...

In this conversation with Jennifer Garvey Berger, we explore what it takes to remain open, creative and capable of action in a world of increasing complexity. Jennifer explains how our nervous system tends to respond to uncertainty by contracting, simplifying and falling back on familiar patterns. Yet the challenges we face require almost the opposite: the capacity to hold complexity, settle our r...

In this conversation with Ken Wilber, we explore whether radical wholeness could provide the foundation for a Third Attractor. Ken argues that the fragmentation and polarization we see in the world can only be addressed through a genuinely integral approach that includes the many dimensions of human life and development. We speak about how Integral Theory can move from a framework into lived pract...

In this conversation with Jonas Søvik, we explore what happens when the rational drive to “do the most good” meets a more integral, relational and nondual understanding of change. Jonas brings his experience in Effective Altruism into dialogue with questions of inner development, community, agency and emergence. We speak about the many “islands of coherence” already experimenting with new ways of...

In this conversation with author and Accidental Gods host Manda Scott, we explore what it might actually take to create a future worth living in. Manda brings together shamanic practice, inner healing, regenerative thinking and the power of storytelling to ask how a genuinely different future could emerge. We speak about moving beyond the stories of scarcity, separation and powerlessness that shap...

In this conversation with philosopher Robert M. Ellis, we explore the Middle Way and its surprising overlap with the Third Attractor. Robert describes the Middle Way not as compromise or simply finding a position between two extremes, but as a practical way of avoiding absolutism, widening our perspective and remaining open to reframing our assumptions. We talk about judgment and optionality, the...

Discover the Third Attractor with Jenny Andersson and learn how we can align human activity with ecological boundaries. Jenny Andersson, founder of The Really Regenerative Centre, joins this conversation to discuss the practical shifts required for a sustainable future. We examine how shifting our focus toward regenerative leadership and bioregionalism allows communities to steward their own place...

What does it take to build a truly pro-social world? In this conversation, evolutionary biologist David Sloan Wilson brings Darwinian evolution into dialogue with the vision of the Third Attractor. We explore why cooperation is one of evolution’s greatest achievements, why good intentions alone are not enough, and how groups can create the conditions that allow people to work together for the comm...

What if consciousness is not produced by the universe, but is the ground from which the universe emerges? In this conversation, physicist and author James B. Glattfelder explores ideas from The Sapient Cosmos: the “will to complexity,” consciousness as fundamental, and evolution as a movement toward greater awareness. We talk about idealism, psychedelics and non-ordinary states, quantum physics, A...

How do we create a future that is neither collapse nor techno-utopia? In this rich and wide-ranging conversation, Daniela Bomatter speaks with Ivo Mensch about what it really means to co-create the Third Attractor. Rather than treating the Third Attractor as a fixed destination, Ivo sees it as a way of navigating: a living orientation that helps us respond wisely to each moment while remaining ope...

In this conversation, Daniela Bomatter speaks with Remzi Bajrami, founder of Creditism, about one of the most ambitious questions of our time: Can we redesign money to serve life instead of power? Remzi explains why he believes today’s financial system concentrates wealth, fuels inequality, and disconnects humanity from the commons. He introduces Creditism, a new economic model where money is crea...

What if the world’s biggest problems aren’t caused by bad leaders, but by a system that forces every nation to compete instead of cooperate? In this conversation, John Bunzl, founder of Simpol (Simultaneous Policy), joins Daniela Bomatter to explore why climate change, AI governance, economic inequality, and many other global crises remain unsolved despite decades of effort. Together they examine...

In this episode of Co-Creating the Third Attractor, Daniela Bomatter speaks with gerontologist and consciousness researcher Bettina Wichers about conscious aging, adult development, Integral Theory, transpersonal consciousness, and the role of elders in shaping the future of humanity. Together they explore how shadow work, trauma integration, the dissolution of the ego, and the emergence of transp...

This conversation moves through Jean Gebser's account of integral consciousness, the idea that we are not advancing toward a future so much as being worked on by a time that is already present and already shaping us. Jeremy calls this integral futuring: bringing an already unfolding future into conscious participation, rather than waiting for it to erupt as crisis. From there the discussion tu...

In this conversation, Daniela Bomatter speaks with Dave Snowden, creator of the Cynefin framework, about why the future cannot be designed from the top down. Instead of searching for grand solutions, Snowden argues that real transformation emerges from thousands of small, local experiments that reveal what is already possible. The discussion explores complexity science, distributed sense-making, c...

Jon Freeman describes a vision of individual freedom that does not collapse into chaos, because it lives inside a relationship with what he calls the information field. He defines coherence through the image of scattered light versus a laser: a state where inner sensing, not just thought or emotion, guides each choice. When asked whether that could shade into dogmatism, Jon draws on spiral dynamic...

In this wide-ranging conversation, Peter Merry explores what it means to navigate our time of profound transition through an integral, evolutionary lens. Together we examine why chaos is not simply breakdown, but the fertile space where the future begins to emerge. Rather than trying to predict or control what comes next, Peter invites us into the practice of "not knowing"—a deeper form...

What if the future of humanity begins in the way we educate our children? In this inspiring conversation, educator and visionary Madhan Mohan shares how Arunachala Village School in rural South India has spent more than two decades reimagining education from the ground up. Built on freedom, unconditional love, trust and responsibility, the school empowers children to think for themselves, care for...